Changing The Game with Dr. Grant Bishop

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1️⃣ Take care of your body: Our guest emphasized the importance of taking proactive steps to maintain and improve your physical health. As we age, it's crucial to prioritize our bodies and not let "father time" take advantage of us. From metabolic health to overall wellness strategies, there's so much we can do to stay in top shape and feel our best both on and off the golf course.

2️⃣ Pain is not normal: One of the most eye-opening discussions in this episode revolved around the misconception that pain is a natural part of aging. Our guest, a professional and doctor, debunked this myth and highlighted that while pain may be common, it is not normal. We should never settle for just "dealing with it" or accepting pain as an inevitable consequence of getting older. There are solutions and treatments available that can help us live pain-free lives.

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Transcript

Grant: 0:31

Welcome

Chris: 0:32

back to the whiskey and wisdom podcast. As you know, you got your host, Chris Kellum and Tyler y'all this week. We bring on our special

Grant: 0:40

guest, Dr. Grant Bishop, and you were with change the game, change the game performance. That's correct. Yep. And our

Tyler: 0:48

so. Podcast wise, our first interaction with your company was with

Grant: 0:55

true.

Tyler: 0:55

Was it true? I don't think it was now that I think about it because Sarah Ald

Grant: 1:02

with upper health.

Tyler: 1:03

Yeah. So I noticed that she was working with you as well. And so I saw you through that and then through drew who works even more directly with you all. It's kind of how the whole connection and everything came

Grant: 1:15

to be. So, yeah. It's very interesting and very interconnected. Yes. Yeah, which is a

Tyler: 1:20

good place to be as a business

Grant: 1:21

owner. Oh, yeah

Chris: 1:23

My connection to dr. Bishop is through ECU because there's many people who've listened to the podcast No, I went there for a little bit, you know as per usual go Pirates

Grant: 1:35

I'm not supposed to be doing the yard. No, I'm just messing That's almost like Just kind of reactive to I'm like, oh man This is going to be, it's going to come off wrong. I felt, there's

Chris: 1:47

a time, I was scrolling through pictures this morning, and to post something for my friend, and there's a video of me like, with her friend, and it's like, you know you're in ECU, if you just yell

Grant: 1:57

out purple,

Chris: 1:58

GOLD! And just

Grant: 2:00

everybody, everybody yells it. That's how you know

Chris: 2:03

where you're at. That's how you know you're in a good spot. And talking about in a good spot, this week we actually found a bottle of this Booker's.

Tyler: 2:15

Shout out to Uncommon Boutique for that. Kind of tip off as well to the other good thing about being a whiskey podcast is anytime there is an allocated bottle of anything, you get text messages and messages galore. And I'm not hating on it. I'm loving on it. So if anyone else sees an allocated bottle out there that we need to pick up, let us know and we'll send one of our henchmen out there to pick it up.

Grant: 2:40

One of us too. Yeah.

Tyler: 2:43

It's usually one of us,

Chris: 2:44

but yes. This batch that was released was the 22, 023 02. Oddly enough, the alcohol percentage is only 62. 75%. AKA 125. I was going

Grant: 2:59

to say only

Tyler: 3:01

that's high.

Grant: 3:03

I'm just

Chris: 3:03

messing with you. This batch was considered an apprentice batch. And it's very interesting because it's made from barrels. It's not a single proof batch, I guess. It's made from barrels from six different warehouses. From warehouse H W one zero GZ. Don't don't know what that means, but I'm sure someone does. It's a medium Amber color. Cause it's been sitting for about seven years, one month and two days before they decided to tap this. You'll notice the long finish after that first sip and it should have notes of vanilla toasted nuts and just having altogether pretty pleasant flavor. I will say bookers is a pretty cool website. Each one like tells you about what it is and it does have distiller notes in the box. Comes with a fancy like wooden box and everything. I don't know if it amounts to the amount of money I had to pay for it, but it's still pretty

Grant: 3:57

cool. We'll find out. You were concerned about how you were going to get it out of there too.

Chris: 4:01

Yes. Yeah. Well, no. So the last time we had a bottle that had a true full over wax seal, I had to go to my official bartender, Kaylee, who was also on the podcast and see if she could figure out how to open it. This one was actually a really good bottle and it just opened up real quick. Yeah.

Tyler: 4:20

The seal around the last one broke off when we tried to pull it.

Grant: 4:23

So we were like, ah. But, all right, let's give it a taste. Cheers. Cheers to the boogers.

Tyler: 4:29

That's much more smooth than I was expecting. Oh, one 26. You said,

Grant: 4:34

okay, maybe not for

Chris: 4:35

Chris 125. 5 high rounded. Yes.

Grant: 4:41

Ooh, that's a little bit of fire. It's

Chris: 4:43

interesting. So we, as most people know, we, we record these in groups and we've literally gone. We have. We started with 80 proof. We jumped to 100. What was our middle section? No, this one. That was the first one. Yeah, so we had 85. Jumped to 107. I still don't know what blade and bow. The flavor on it tasted like it was closer to 90. Yeah, I think it was around 90. I go back and forth. I didn't actually read the bottle. It was either

Tyler: 5:15

85 or 90. I can't remember.

Chris: 5:17

And now we're at this one. It does have a little burn. Yes. But for true whiskey lovers who like that burn, it's a good one. Yeah. It's

Tyler: 5:27

still smooth. Yes. I mean, you're not taking in. Felt like you're about

Grant: 5:32

to pass out. No. But not like, not yet. No. Right. Sure. But

Chris: 5:37

if you're drinking from a Glencairn, you'll, you'll taste it more so than if you're drinking it from like just a rocks glass or something like that. Sure. Which, you know, we mix it up here. We are, we are not snobs. We try it all. Yep. At least twice. But, do you, what would you prefer us to call you, Dr. Bishop?

Grant: 5:57

You can call me Dr. G, Dr. Grant, Grant. Whatever you want to call me, I'm just gonna call you doc doc. All right. I don't know why now. What's up doc? That's fine, oh, yeah

Chris: 6:10

Some people are particular i'm like I put in enough years.

Grant: 6:14

Nah, I deserve this title Yeah, and in some regards sure, but I mean Conversationally, no. Okay. Yeah groovy.

Chris: 6:22

So tell us a little about yourself Besides the fact that you went to ecu. What

Grant: 6:26

else you got? Well a little bit about that, So I went to East Carolina. I'm originally from Raleigh. Okay. Yeah, so I grew up in Raleigh originally, well Take a few steps back born in Ohio Okay lived in Florida for a little bit and Then Raleigh for the majority of my childhood and kind of growing up and you know, playing high school sports football basketball Athens Drive back in the day. Okay, pretty close to NC State if anyone's familiar where that's in relation to NC State, but found my way to East Carolina because I had the interest of wanting to do physical therapy. Although the caveat there is that I had never had physical therapy myself. Oh, interesting. And so it was just a blend of kind of, I guess, passions and interests that I started to develop throughout high school, which were kind of how the body works, right? How we can, you know, You know, I was getting really avid into weightlifting and training golfing a little bit, even then not a big golfer then because of other sports, but that, and then the interest of also being able to help people and interact with people. I, I had a really hard time seeing myself sitting behind a desk for eight, nine hours a day. You know. As a profession, as a job. And so, I went to East Carolina with the intent of going to physical therapy school. Majored in exercise physiology. I feel like that

Chris: 7:59

part of school is like the biggest graduating class.

Grant: 8:02

There are a lot of people that are in that program. Is that kind of what ECU is known for? I think they have three.

Chris: 8:12

What's that? So exercise like physiology and science, teaching and

Grant: 8:18

nursing. Nursing is huge. Yeah. And also the medical school there now too, and dental school. Those are, those are also huge. And well, the business school, honestly, you could. A lot of different components, obviously, to that school that are definitely like what it's known for it's kind of known for being a party school. Right. Yeah. But you know, I, in my time there, I didn't have the time to really do that, nor did I personally have much interest in doing that myself because I was trying to get to PT school as fast as I could. And I had an opportunity Absolutely. Absolutely. And so I, I had to really kind of buckle down and kind of get things set so I could save some money. Right. And not have to have that extra year of school, but still had a good time, you know, plenty of football games, plenty of athletic events, tailgating, all that kind of stuff. But I went to physical therapy school at East Carolina as well. So six years there in Greenville, great town. Yeah. Definitely grow has grown a tremendous amount. Oh, for sure. And just, well, gosh, probably 10 years now since I was first there and beautiful school, beautiful campus. And. Throughout that process and didn't really have any you know, direct intention to kind of start something right as a physical therapist that passion kind of developed and brewed, I guess, later on towards the end of grad school and then when I graduated, it was during the thing that, you know, we all know about, right, that affected the rest of the world. Yeah.

Tyler: 9:52

But that pops up on our Spotify podcast. Yeah

Grant: 9:56

Which must not be named. Yes, I kind of gathered that before I Right, but it made things obviously very challenging for everyone, right? but I I saw a passion of golf kind of building up and I had a direct interest in wanting to work with golfers and My first job that I had, I had a really good time, really good people. I actually worked over in Whiteville for a little bit of time. Whiteville. Oh yeah, great people. Renew Health and Physical Therapy, great, great people there. And I just had more of a passion and an interest of working with golfers. And the thing is, is nobody was hiring at the time. Here in town my wife and I, I'm married, my wife and I we're actually expecting our first baby along the way, baby girl, don't have a name yet, but I won't drop any names so that she doesn't get angry at me.

Chris: 10:53

Apparently. You're supposed to hold the name close to your chest until you have the kid. Here's a good vibe because otherwise you tell people your name and like, why would you

11:02

do

Grant: 11:02

that? And I'm like, you're like, this is the name. This is what we're sticking to. Right.

Tyler: 11:07

Wait till it's ink on the paper.

Grant: 11:09

Or like the baby's there and you're like, all right, you may look like a this or that. Right. Right. Right. You look like a. Queen, there's actually, there

Tyler: 11:19

was actually a podcast I listened to and they didn't give their baby a name until a week after they had it. Yeah. So I was like, I'm not sure if I could do that. I don't know about

Grant: 11:28

that. Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler: 11:30

Not me personally, but that's anyway. Sorry to see what

Grant: 11:32

that goes. That's either indecisiveness or just all. Very decisive. I don't know kind of which they're

Tyler: 11:41

one side or the

Grant: 11:42

other. Yeah, but so our first our first babies along the way October my wife, Emily, she's doing well. And so that was also kind of a draw to want to be here locally instead of being driving an hour away. Right, right. Yeah. to branch out, wanting to do something different and unique that Wilmington didn't have. And that was, that is golf physical therapy and golf performance. And we can kind of delve into that a little bit too. I'm like, what does that mean? But alongside that, you know, having family here in town, her family, and then A baby, you know, that was all kind of drawing me to wanting to be here, but no one was hiring at the time and through through actually a person named Nicole Beckin, who she's a physical therapist as well. She connected me with Ryan Godfrey Dr. Godfrey who owned owns changed the game. And so. He was at the time, a one man kind of shop and really struggling as everyone was during COVID. And I came along and, you know, kind of, well, I messaged him and I'm like, Hey, you know, this is who I am this is kind of what I'm looking to do. And I'd like to talk with you and he's like, well, I'm, I'm not hiring. For, you know, obvious reasons, nothing against you, but we're not hiring when I'm not in a position to hire, but we'd love to talk to you. And so that kind of, kind of churned us to, to talk a little bit over the course of a few months of, or a few weeks of like, you know, how could this look? And we kind of developed this bright idea to start something together. Which brought a lot of risk to me. Obviously you're just like, all right, I'm going all in starting something new. Yeah. I'm new to this profession still. You know, my wife just finished school as a speech therapist so, you know, all of this is coming along and yeah, the, the, the day I signed kind of, kind of us opening up a business together the golf side of the change, the game performance Was it actually the day that a person I had met Ray Dixon who he wouldn't mind me sharing his name, right? Yeah, he owns Dixon service company great people air conditioned in HVAC and He had messaged me like out of the blue. We hadn't talked since like eight months prior Oh, yeah, he messaged me that day and he said Grant. I need help My back is this and that, and nothing's helping. I'm, I'm desperate. What do you think I can do? And I said, and this is right after signing, you know, our papers. Right. And I'm like, well, right. Come on in. Let's take a look at this. And literally 30 minutes into his session, he had been in pain for months. Pain free. Wow. And he was just blown away. Like, what did you do? Yeah. And it's like, well, It's simple. And then he was like, I don't care what you did. I'm in this. I want to get better at golf now. Let's go. Cause he was a golfer. Yeah. That's how I kind of knew him. And he he actually ended up in about six months of working together. He added about gosh, 50, 60 yards to his drive. And like, we'll go into the kind of the science of like what kind of flexibility you should have and whatnot for golf. But a true testament to somebody putting the work in, but other stuff about me. I'm I got, I got a dog, golden retriever. His name's Jackson. Yeah. Great little boy. Very, very needy. So very, very needing of attention. But love going to the beach. My wife and I, We're there July 4th, which was a little chaotic, but say at least Carolina Beach driving along, you know, great time. You got to get there really early. I was like, you got to get there really

Chris: 15:28

early. Any time you go to a beach around here on the 4th of July, you have to be there before.

Grant: 15:36

Well, around 8 a. m. We made the... If not before. Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler: 15:40

Yeah. We made the either great idea or horrible idea, and it's still to be determined, of going down to Carolina Beach on July 3rd to try Island Burger and Bites.

Grant: 15:50

No. Yeah. Around noon.

Tyler: 15:52

No. And the traffic... And everything getting there was horrific. The burgers were amazing as what you would expect them to be. Yeah, but yeah, the amount of people was

Grant: 16:05

pretty intense. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think the

Chris: 16:07

wait time, which is crazy to think, like when you show up to a joint and you're like, Oh wait, you know, it's in a, it's in a convenience store. Cool. Whatever. We show up and it's like, just so you know, it's a 45 minute wait. Whoa. Yeah. And I'm like. This better be an amazing burger, especially if they won our burger contest. Well, there's

Grant: 16:28

a wait for a reason. You are right. It could be the volume of people though, but you know, still there's a wait for a reason they won that contest. Yes, it was a combination,

Chris: 16:38

but yeah, you're right. First off, show up early for 4th of July festivities so you can stay longer. I learned that my friend sent me a picture, a video from like four years ago and we, that was the best 4th of July, me and my wife showed up before we got married at like eight o'clock in the morning to Wrightsville beach, picked a spot, parked, put our car in, put our stuff out. It sprinkled a little bit at like 10 am, which was like five minutes before. My friend showed up, she showed up, we threw her stuff out, went back to my house, and rode our bikes. I was like, it was the longest day, because I rode my bike from the house back to the beach. Not completely sober.

Grant: 17:26

And...

Chris: 17:28

Even worse. Yeah. But understandably, that's why I tell people, like, you gotta show up early, so you

Grant: 17:33

can leave early. Yeah, and beat the heat. That was a hot day. That's for sure. Yeah. Very hot day. I was working all day for July. So, yeah. So you get slightly back on

Tyler: 17:43

track and take

Grant: 17:44

the, we're going to go off track. I can guarantee that. Oh,

Tyler: 17:47

multiple times. Yeah. All

Grant: 17:48

of us. Not, it's like me trying to play golf. Yeah. Where did that ball go? So actually perfect

Tyler: 17:54

segue is how did you get

Grant: 17:56

into golf? Yeah. So, I got into golf man, I started. Kind of just dabbling into it as a kid just here and there grew up kind of just going to a par three course, just kind of for fun nothing serious called nights play over an apex. Okay. And really nice, pretty nice course, 27 holes. They got night golf where they got lights where you can play at night. And so, great place to just kind of really work on your short game in a way. But really I got introduced to really playing more golf when I met my, at the time, not father in law, but yeah, my father in law, Eric, he he kind of, I guess, kind of like, It was just kind of like, Oh, I'm not good at this. Let me see how I can get better. Right. And you know, you, you, you just get a few shots that are really, really good and you're like, I got to do that again, but I don't know how to do that again. Right. I want to crush this thing as far as I can. Look, I just made that really long putt and I just duff that chip. So it's just kind of an ever ever learning proc process of, you're not going to master the game of golf. Right. And it's just that kind of a game, that kind of a sport where it's all about probabilities and it's, it's. A lot to do with the mental side, right? Aside from the physical, which we'll talk about, but the physical and the mental side of it can kind of carry over into a lot of things in life. And so I got interested into it from him more so, and I then pursued kind of more education. From the physical therapist side of me, right? Through a Titleist Performance Institute, also known as TPI the, and the industry Dr. Greg Rose and Dave Phillips. They are the co founders of TPI. And so I took their, a few of their courses, got certified through them and different, different courses, medical power, all that kind of stuff. Wow. And. A lot of great education, a lot of great education and further continue to pursue kind of the education and golf biomechanics with a guy named Dr. Quan out of Texas Women's University. And if you want to go into the weeds of golf biomechanics, he's your guy. It's it's a lot. And frankly, the combination of those two things has really, really helped me. Be able to create just drastic changes in people's golf swings. Making them a much more dynamic, powerful golfer with less injury. You know, they can go play four or five times a week. And, you know, they're in their seventies and now they're hitting the ball further than they ever have hit it. And so it's that's kind of what drove me to get interested into it. And I just started kind of picking up the passion of trying to play, try to get better. And frankly, now I don't have as much time to do that because I got a baby along the way. Yes, that's going to be an amazing time. I am looking forward to it for sure. But golf is, oh boy, what, what do we have here? I mean, you

Chris: 21:00

could take the baby with you.

Grant: 21:01

That is true. You're just like. It will be cooler. That would be. October, it will be cooler. Right. If my wife will allow it. It's to get a golf cart. Get a golf cart with a stroller. They make them. I'm sure they do. For real, they make them. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. But you know, one day soon. But yeah, it's I started taking some some lessons from a guy named Kirk Baker. Really great guy up at Castle Bay. He, he does a phenomenal job with people. And he was actually one of my first clients as well. And he he really, he, Kirk's one of the guys that he is so open to learning. That, like, what I had to say, he would listen. And I would listen to him and, you know, I would continue to kind of further like my, my old understanding of the golf swing and the biomechanics. And I would talk to him about it and kind of give him some ideas and like that helped him with some of his clients and like it's helped him personally. But it's just really cool. He's really open to learning and really open to feedback. And that's something that's really, really valuable in a coach and a swing coach that you could find. But started taking lessons myself. I am not the best of golfers yet handicap of like a 15. Hey, not too bad though. So yeah, not bad, but I'm not playing as much as I, I would like to, but nonetheless, I can still drive the ball 330 yards. Oh, wow. So Drew, I'm coming for you. When you listen to this, I'm coming for you. Not really. I am not his, I'm not to his caliber. No way. But he's, he's a, he's a big guy.

Tyler: 22:37

What's the furthest he was able to drive the ball during his last

Grant: 22:38

competition? Oh, his last one that he was in was in Memphis, Tennessee. Yeah. And that heat and humidity. Gosh, I think he might have got one that was 390. Yeah.

Tyler: 22:49

Oh, wow. Yeah. I think I saw, it was like 380 something is what I saw, but

Grant: 22:53

I knew he hit it furthest. Yeah, like 389 Yeah. But that humidity, oh my goodness, right? I couldn't imagine it just knocks that ball down Yeah, you don't have a chance to I mean kyle berkshire if anyone's familiar with world long drive kyle berkshire has kind of been the Dominant face of it in the past couple years. Among some other guys, eddie fernandez for the the senior guys who he's swinging 151 152 club speed ball speed of 220 it's like Dang. Oh, wow. But Kyle, like he, he was, he was getting ball speeds in the two thirties, but it was, it wasn't going much further than the competition. Oh, he was also having a hard time finding the grid in that competition too later on. But it's just fascinating to see what kind of conditions that you play in, right? How it affects. Where that ball goes, you know, you could swing it as fast as possible. He was getting 160 miles an hour on his club speed. Wow. But it was still not going very much further. And that's, that has a lot to do with the conditions that you're playing in the environment, the alt, the altitude, which was not very high in Memphis, but the humidity that would be in the humidity water in the air.

Tyler: 24:04

I'm sure. Oh, yes.

Grant: 24:05

That stops it. Oh yeah. It causes it to drop. Right. Yeah, that's for

Chris: 24:09

sure. That's like me trying to play. I was playing switch golf with my family last night, and first off, I'm a goofball and try to do it left-handed

Grant: 24:19

That's a good way, If you're not left-handed, I'm definitely not

Chris: 24:23

left-handed But every time I would hit the ball, it would just do that whole up and drop and I'm like, Ooh. But that's what my head thinks of is like when you, when you hit a ball real, you think you're hitting it really hard and. The atmosphere just says, Nope, good try though.

Grant: 24:41

So on

Tyler: 24:42

your side of it, is it like a completely different game plan? Like when you work with someone like drew as opposed to like regular golfer, because I'm sure there's so much more torque going into just trying to drive that ball as far

Grant: 24:53

as possible, right? There is a lot there's a lot that goes into it. Yeah, that is for sure. But a lot still says a lot still stays the same across the board. No matter if you're 75 years old or if you're 15 or you're 10 years old, or if you're a freak like drew and what you're able to do, you still have to have. The bare minimum mobility requirements that the golf swing needs. True, yeah. And so for that, we have four rotational centers of the golf swing that I'll measure with all of the golfers. We got a golf assessment. On our website, in case anybody who's listening to this wants to kind of figure out like where they stand with their mobility, it's change the game, pt. com slash home assessment or something like that. But it's free. It'll give you insight into what you need and kind of, help. start a plan for you going forward. But all golfers need to have rotational mobility in their neck, their shoulders, their spine and their hips. And when I say spine, I'm talking about the thoracic spine, the spine between your neck and your lower back. And so if you have enough mobility, And these four rotational centers, then you're golden when it comes to being able to, to, to kind of increase that length in your swing, right. And also preventing injury from happening, right. You need to have that adequate mobility and then you need to have the strength. necessary for producing the torque in your swing. Once you have those things, then you're talking about like, for someone like drew doing a lot of power and speed related things, over speed kind of things. But also a lot of technical things swing coach things. There's some things that I still want to work with him on. He's just in the middle of competition and it's, it's not very, yeah, it's not very good time to. To create a lot of changes is like taking a golf lesson right before a tournament that you want to play. It's probably not not, you're going to be in your head. But you know, the, the swing itself, you need to have that rotational mobility. And then you need to also be able to have so the strength, the power, and then what factors influence that club speed or someone like drew, that's what he's after. He's after increasing that gap of how fast he can swing. Right. Okay. And so that's kind of the difference with drew versus these other, other individuals who are likely swinging, swinging under 120 miles an hour. He's at the 150 and so I like to kind of compare it, it's, it's fast. I mean the fastest I've gotten with my swing is, and that's not hitting a ball, is 140. Oh wow. Hitting a ball is 133, 134, but I don't know where that's going. Right. So 150 is just, it is so impressive. And that's why it is very, you know, very few people can do that. And there's some people that are now hitting. You know the the mid 160s the high 160s and it's just it's insane the amount of torque that goes on the body I'll give you guys a kind of a comparison on like when it comes to spine health here. So, you guys familiar with like a tackle dummy or the football sleds? Yeah. Like that you kind of push, right? So, for the average professional golfer, for the average swing that they have, they're producing 7, 500 newtons of compression force on their spine. What does that mean? Eight times body weight of compression force on their spine. That's the equivalent of ramming yourself up into the blocking sled. Yeah. But doing that, and this is also like, why do golfers have back pain? Yes. Well, if you're not moving well rotationally, a lot of that stress is going to go to the back. All that compression force. And that's actually from your muscles. A lot of that compression force is from the muscles themselves. Okay. And so, eight times body weight. For the average professional golfer These guys are swinging much faster than those guys, right? And So that's every swing though Right. So that's a lot of force and you got to take care of yourself. Mm hmm. And so that's why I'll always advocate for people To keep it as simple as we can you need to be able to rotate well through your hips your shoulders your spine and your and your neck and if you fail and any of those We're looking at a recipe of getting hurt but also having inconsistency with your swing. And so once all those are cleared up, then we're talking about building a strength base and we can talk about that. Crossfitters here? You guys do crossfit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, you guys train, yeah. And so we can talk about training principles and kind of like, you know, well, how does that, how does that relate to a golfer? But, you know. The, the big thing for someone like drew is staying healthy. Like right now, a lot of power priming stuff is what we would do, what we would focus on a lot of speed work, but also a lot of tissue work, tissue recovery. Okay. Because that's a lot of, a lot of strain on the body. Yeah. That's also travel too. Right. And so you got to factor all those things in. And so the biggest things like some tools that I'll use is like dry needling or soft tissue kind of, instrument assisted. People can call it like scraping or grassed in or what, what, whatever you want to call it. And you know, you could do cupping or whatever, but then integrating that with a exercise program that is actually going to help him improve his mobility and also get his nervous system ready. To do the demands that he needs from it. Yeah, right. So that's kind of the nuance There's a lot more kind of in the weed in the weeds details that I could kind of go into such as palm cooling and Kind of offsetting heat Because whenever you have a lot of heat kind of build up in the system, the nervous system does not like to work as well. No, when you're too hot. When you're too hot. If you guys are familiar with any kind of sauna based things, the nerves don't do well with heat. Right. And so, when you're talking about... Like people like to do cold plunges. I've talked to Drew about this. He is not very keen to trying this quite yet, but maybe soon. But something as simple as palm cooling or even putting your feet into maybe some buckets of ice. Right. And it doesn't have to be for very long, but. You know, this would be something I would be very interested in kind of testing with him. Right. Because of the effects that it could likely have on power output, it's well kind of established in the sense that it can help in the weight room, help with your power output and your strength output in the weight room. And so that's palm cooling. But then you can get into the recovery means of like, how can we get to the next level? Right. Right. But It's a, it's a fun process kind of giving him a lot of different things to work on, but he's got a lot on his plate and that's what that's what you do with a long drive guy. Exactly. Yeah. Well, and to talk

Chris: 32:18

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Grant: 32:20

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Tyler: 32:57

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Grant: 33:19

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Tyler: 33:23

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Chris: 33:28

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Grant: 33:37

Yeah,

Tyler: 33:38

that is right. That was even better segue than expected.

Chris: 33:43

See, Tyler always

Grant: 33:44

doubts me. I don't doubt you. Not bad. Not bad. I, I

Chris: 33:48

am the John Stockton of our podcast. I'm, I'm here to set him up for the perfect assist to lead into a sponsored ad or to just transition to something new. Similar to like you were talking about palm cooling. What, what does that do? I'm assuming my thought process was like, if your palms are colder, you can actually feel your grip on things. And so you're not exerting things differently.

Grant: 34:15

So the, the mechanisms behind that or the physiology behind that a lot of it has to do with offsetting heat. Okay. That's what a lot of it has to do with, is offsetting the heat. And then, basically, as a byproduct of that, you're, you're not, you're not really targeting muscles, necessarily, right? You're more, so, the palms are a great place for that. It also increases adrenaline. Ah, okay. Right? That, that If you've ever taken a cold shower Yeah. Or a cold plunge, avoid it. And you have that very, you avoid like a plague. uh uh, I'll go do that myself over at Cryo Cove, if you guys are familiar with that. Yeah. Bow over there. Take a cold plunge and you know, the first few seconds that you're in there. Like it just takes your breath away, right? Like you're like, you're like, you're trying to get your breath under control. But it's kind of that shock, right? And so it's not so much, you're not trying to do it for a long period of time. But so there's that, that offset of heat, but also the adrenaline. That it's going to kind of release and kind of cause to kind of happen into the system. Right? Okay. And so, you kind of combine those two, then you're looking at nerves that want to function better. Right? Or more optimally. Right. Not under a lot of heat stress. Which heat causes you to obviously fatigue a lot quicker. And so, this is something even possibly applicable to people who run during the summer. Or who are weight lifting into heat. Right? Offsetting that heat. It's going to be a big factor to not fatiguing as quickly. And so that's a, that's a big element of why I would kind of recommend doing it. Now, as far as like safety with it, you know, be careful with cold, right? You know, I'm not, if you've never tried it before, be careful with it. And it doesn't have to be ice, right? Just cold, colder water kind of offset that heat. And frankly, if you kind of, you know, it's, it has a lot to do with that fatigue. Yeah if you've ever worked out and the CrossFit box, right or gym In the middle of summer How's that I was just at a CrossFit competition yesterday over at seacoast, right? Okay. Yeah There's a lot of different gyms that were there I've been working with a few clients that that were also competing in that competition But it was hot yeah, it was really hot and so I was actually telling this to a few people there, there, they had ice buckets out outside and I'm like, you know, they're like sticking their whole leg in there and cause their knee. And I'm like, yeah, there's probably a better way to kind of fix your knee. But you know, the added benefit, I'm like, Hey, do this with your hands. You know, it might help with your strength output, get back in there kind of thing and kind of help you not feel as fatigued from the heat. Some guys looked at me and are like, okay, okay. And. They did it and I don't know what came of it, but just fun little tips that people look at you like you're crazy. Right. Yeah.

Tyler: 37:16

So does that work like that instantly? Like if you're like in between sets and you go in and do something like that for a few minutes

Grant: 37:22

and that's where you got to test it yourself. Okay. That's where everyone's going to be a little bit different, right. With how they're going to respond, how well trained they are at whatever lift or task that they're trying to do. So there's going to be kind of, kind of a specific response from that. But if you look at it chronically over time, if you do it kind of in a regimented fashion, it's going to increase your strength and power. With nothing else, you know, with all things equal. It's going to improve your strength and power, which is kind of a fascinating thing in the weight room. But I'm looking forward to maybe trying to test that with Drew to see about his clip speed. Right. And also how... Quickly, he fatigues in these, these hotter events because that's, that's, that's a big thing. Like whenever you're competing or, you know, even if you're just the average golfer going out and playing golf during the summer, or you have some kind of tournament or some kind of member guest and you're like really trying to perform at the top level, you might be drinking. If you're doing a member guest but yeah, and so, but you're still trying to play good, right? So, you know, something as simple maybe as like a really cold rag or something like who knows like how that could affect and kind Of help just that little extra piece of of performance, but that's that's kind of getting into Different realms of kind of, I guess you'd call them hacks of trying to improve performance, but there's a lot of other ways to improve performance besides those things. If you haven't done those things yet. Okay.

Tyler: 38:51

Not to have like drew be the center of the podcast here, but I think, I think he does like a good job of being like the extreme. Right. So like, So is there a way that you train him differently or work on him differently in a place like Memphis, Tennessee versus like, I know he has one either coming up or he just did one in like Vegas, like outside of

Grant: 39:10

Vegas, right? He, he had that back in I think March or April. Yeah. And so, a lot of it. So it comes down to the prep work, right? How many balls does it take for you to reach your your peak speed? Yeah. Right. So a lot of long drive guys, it's going to take them 50, 60 balls really before they start peaking. Oh, wow. If you're talking about a guy Oh, I'm blanking on his name. He's I shouldn't, but gosh,

Tyler: 39:38

on the spot. I get it. but

Grant: 39:39

he was Really, really great world long driver throughout the 90s. And I believe early 2000s four or five world championship titles. Wow. I don't know why I'm blanking on his name, but he doesn't start peaking with his, with his speed until he's still ramping up 200 swings in. Oh my god. He is still ramping up. He has still not met the peak. And so, I don't envy that. No. For that to take that long. But, you gotta know your number. Yeah. It's like a pitcher. They gotta know their number before they're warm and ready to go into the game. Yeah. And so... That's a key piece to your performance on that level. Obviously there's a lot of mental prep. You got to get good times. But physically speaking you know, you don't want to do, this is a kind of a subject matter that is tough for a lot of people to hear. You do statically before. Any of that kind of thing, any of those kinds of sports, golfing, don't stretch before you play or dynamic stretch is going to be better for that or dynamic stretching is going to be better. Yes, very much. So static stretching is kind of what I'm talking about, right? Where you're holding a stretch. Like my hamstrings are really tight. I gotta, you know, got to make that feel better. Static stretching is going to reduce your power output. 15, 20%. Wow. And it's also going to put you at a higher risk for injury. Yeah. A much higher risk because what you're doing is you're dampening pain signals. Okay. You're decreasing pain signals. So you can move further, but there's pain signals are there for a reason, right? Because you're not, your body isn't going to respond well necessarily to that extra range of motion that you haven't trained. Right. And so what's funny though, is that a lot of guys that I've worked with like, yeah, man, I, I would stretch before I play, but I'd have a hard time finding my swing until about eight or nine holes in it's like, yeah, you're dealing with the range of motion that you weren't used to. And so, you know, if you're struggling to find your swing and you're stretching before you play, that's the first place to kind of maybe look at, like, well, why is it different than it should be? Like when I was on the range, like I spent a little bit more time stretching or what have you, but power performance injury risk a better way would be to activate. Obviously activate muscles. I love when I love using bands, very versatile, very easy to transport and very easy to use. And so using bands to warm yourself up dynamically, right? And I have I have a lot of guys that will come back and tell me like, Grant, I, I didn't even need to practice on the range. I, I felt so warmed up. Like I took like three swings and I'm like, I'm ready to go. And whereas it took them 50, 60, 70 balls before they felt like they were loose. And so it's very practical. It saves you time, but it also saves you that mechanical load. Right. Of all of the swings. But yeah, so not stretching statically until afterwards. Afterwards is a good time to kind of work on that soft tissue work, that recovery work. But a lot of, I like to use something like overcoming isometrics. It could be called overcoming elastics. Take a really, really thick band and attach it to something that isn't going to break, right? Or isn't valuable. And so you could do it in many different ways. Rows or pulling, pushing attaching it to your foot and your leg to kind of work the legs as well. Core, where you're trying to overcome that band, that resistance with as much force as you can. And... Once you can't overcome it anymore, keep pushing through and do that for not very long. Don't hold your breath, but four, five, six seconds. Really, really trying to recruit as many muscle fibers, as many motor units as you can to prime the nervous system. And the great thing about it is it doesn't leave you sore. It actually will leave you kind of like, you know, really amped up, like, you know, everything's firing on all cylinders and it's a really, really good way to prepare yourself physically and through the nervous system for something that is going to be very, very ballistic and very, very explosive. And so overcoming isometrics is a great tool. And then you get into more of kind of the ballistic speed work that you could kind of integrate as well. Right. And, you know, that, that takes different kind of It looks differently depending on where the person has their best power centers. Okay. If that makes sense. Yeah. There's a couple of different power centers of the golf swing that we'll measure and we'll find like. You know, if you influence these more, like if you improve your base in these power centers, it's going to make your speed go up. And so that's also a part of the home assessment. The different power centers, there's, there's, there's three of them, but two of them are actually causative to increases in your club speed. And so that'll affect the training that'll affect kind of what, what how are you going to program and periodize a training program for somebody? But also tailored to where their weak points are. Right? Yeah. So knowing the athlete, because we're all athletes. Right. It's just you know, we're all athletes in different ways and in different sports or activities. But for the, for the specific sport, you got to find where this person has their weak links. And. where they're actually really strong at and we can kind of get into how that's going to affect their golf swing because well if you guys want to get into that but if you don't use where if you don't use the their strong points yeah you're gonna have a golfer that's going to be very inefficient right so they'll

Chris: 45:26

be able to hit it but they're not gonna be dialed in

Grant: 45:30

so there's Getting into physics here. Just a little kinetics and kinematics. Okay. So your kinetics, meaning ground force, right, is going to directly impact or tell, dictate the kinematics, which are the 3D kinda, kinda motion. Kinetics 2D, kinematics 3D. Oh, okay. So your kinetics, your ground interaction, how well you're actually pushing against the ground, is going to dictate. If your hips move first, if your spine moves next, if your shoulders move next and then, you know, kind of, the last link being in the club, right? And so if somebody, their power center, if they're not, I'll just give you one, the vertical power center. If they're not really efficient with, or very strong in their vertical power center, they're not going to be swinging the club very fast. Unless they have a really, really strong other power center, but that's going to likely lead to injury risk, right? All right. So if somebody is very upper body dominant, right, this is also another power center push power, right? If you're really, really dominant in that power center, which does increase club speed, if you're. Very arms dominant and you might see this in your own golf swing whenever the arms get too involved There's a very hard time knowing where that ball is gonna go. Yep, even though you might be swinging really really fast That's every time right? Yeah, right, but so understanding like where some of these power centers are as far as where their strong points are where their weak points are and Knowing how to make them a more balanced golfer with those power centers well greatly, greatly help how well they swing without any swinging instruction. And so that's something that I work on with a lot of golfers as well is kind of the, the the swing efficiency and the sense of how your body moves. I don't teach you how to swing the golf club in the sense of like, you know, how to play this and to play that, how to make this kind of shot. short game. I can't help you there. I wish I could, but I can give you some names if you need some names for guys. When it comes to how well somebody moves, that's going to be That's going to be the bread and butter of how reproducible your swing is. I'll give you guys a term here. Grandiose, right? Grandiose. That's a big acronym for what's about to follow. So you want to have ground force, good ground interaction. That's the G right? And then you want to have a rhythmic swing. And so. Grant ground force, rhythmic, a being asynchronous. You want to have the lower body moving separately from the upper body. You want your hips moving apart from your spine. That's a term called separation or disassociation. And So you want to have it ground force, right? You want to have a rhythmic swing, asynchronous. You want to have it to be natural. You don't want it to be forced, right? And then you want it to be dynamic. I kind of like the kind of coin or term like, we want to be momentum dynamic golfers in our swing. It's just going to look different for each shot. You know, a wedge shot is going to look very different from a driver, right? Right. Obviously it should. If it doesn't, you're probably looking at Bryson DeCampo, that guy is, you know, man, when you're hitting a eight iron 220, it's like, Oh, that's a little far there. I'm not talking about you, Drew, but he, he, he can, he can do that himself too. But so you want to have a dynamic and then. You want to be impulse smart with how you're using the impulses in your golf swing. And by impulse, I mean, basically, you know, are you causing, are you having forces timed at the right times? Hmm. Right. If they're timed at the wrong times, you're going to be more susceptible for injury, but you're also, we got some thunder in the background there. Ooh, that was a loud one. Very loud. We got these headphones on and that was loud too. But. So the impulse want to be impulse smart you're going to be at a higher injury risk if you're applying the force wrongly. So this is where when people look up on YouTube, like, how do I do this? How do I do, you know, how do I have better ground force? And this is a discussion I've had with many golf professionals around town as well. Guys from loggerhead guys Kirk, a lot of different people around town drew himself and there's a lot of different thoughts. As to how to make somebody more kind of efficient from the ground. But I find when it comes to like hip injuries and back injuries if you have somebody focus on certain elements of the ground interaction, they might be more susceptible to hip injuries and low back injuries as a result, even though it might make their ground force look better per se. Yeah. It's like, it's not about, you know, the way it looks as much as how you did it. Okay. Right. So you can get this really good pattern that looks really good, but how did you get there? How did you use the ground? And there's certain drills that I'll do with people to try to make them to keep it simple because I like to keep it simple, even though it might not sound like that right now. I do like to keep it simple and two simple drills for, for golfers. Or a shift and turn drill also known as the shern drill kind of coined by Dr. Kwan. And if anybody's interested, he does have a YouTube channel and an Instagram page that a lot of good stuff on there. That's how I've heard about him on Instagram. Yeah. Yeah. He has a lot of cool drills, but unless you know what's really going on, be careful trying them, right? Right. As with anything. But. So the shift and turn drill, continuous swings, basically getting you to be dynamic, right? Impulse smart. And then very orchestrated with it too. And then you want it to be safe and then efficient. And so that's the grandiose, the, the acronym there. Again, Dr. Kwon there. So with all of those things in mind, like those are going to be big things for, for somebody to have a really good golf swing a really good ground interactive golf swing that is going to be something that, you know, is going to be reproducible, but also keep them injury free because that's really what a lot of golfers are after is how can they be injury free and play as much golf as they want. Right.

Chris: 52:11

That makes sense. So, yeah. That leads me to my question for you as a person who works with a bunch of golf professionals and who works in a business where you're helping people all the time. What would be, what does success look like for you?

Grant: 52:28

What does success look like? So are we are we talking about the business? Are we talking about life? Are we? Oh man. I asked the question.

Chris: 52:39

You give me an answer.

Grant: 52:41

Well,

Chris: 52:43

I'm not gonna put you in

Grant: 52:44

a hole or in a corner. Yeah. So there's many different ways I could I could kind of answer that question. But the the one that is the most meaningful and purposeful to me is living out my christian faith. Okay, that for me is the most important thing. You know, sharing about Jesus to people and kind of, Representing him and the way I interact with people in the day to day, in a day to day basis, you know, being able to have compassion on people being able to, to encourage, to love people, to kind of see him where they're struggling. Because, you know, I deal with a lot of people that are in pain. You know, I deal with people that also have things like multiple sclerosis and all kind of other diagnoses, right? And so when you deal with people that are in pain, like You know, what, what drives me, what keeps me going is knowing where my foundation is. And you know, that for me, that's in Jesus Christ and that's, that's just a big part of who I am and the way that I, and that, and that I live and the way that I conduct business and my marriage and so success to me would be to to try my best to honor him and what I do. And then in the business side of things Like, where do I want to see the business go and be successful? Man, I would love to, it would be really awesome to have. People working with me doing the golf, golf side of things, right? Golf, physical therapy, golf performance, having fitness classes that are just changing people's lives. No pun intended, you know, game changing, right? That's a, a tagline that we have. It's great. The business name helps that very corny, but that's okay. It works. It does work. Remember corny game changers. Yes. So I would love to, to see As many people as I can impacted by what we do for the better, you know, feeling great. It, it does something to you when you hear somebody say, man, I've been having pain for 10 years and you were the first person to really be able to help me. Yeah. Oh, and like that pain was just agonizing to have to deal with. No doctor was able to really help me. No shots, no surgery was able to help me, but you were able to. And. I've also had people that have, you know, I've been dealing with chronic pain, right? And being able to talk them through that, being able to talk through the, the mental psychological struggle, even though, you know, maybe my, my role necessarily isn't in that realm of mental health. You do kind of take on certain kind of things with that with people that are in pain for sure. It's just knowing obviously what your scope is and what your boundaries are. But you can really be a profound impact on people and those ways. But the big things with golf. If I can help as many people as I can to, you know, add 10, 15, 20, 30 yards to their game, have them play the game as long as they want to play it. You know, have that longevity into their 80s. And not hurt. Play a couple times a week. Shoot their age, you know? Unless you're like 85, you know, you want to shoot 75, right? But if you're... 59. I'm sorry. That's going to be really hard or younger, right? Hard. Yeah. I was going to be like

Chris: 55:59

anything under 59 seems kind of hard, but

Tyler: 56:02

it's like imagine that 30 year old kid listening

Grant: 56:04

right now. Right. It's like, I want to shoot my age for nine. Right. Yeah. Maybe not me. That's a little, that's a little young on that end. 27. Right. I don't want my

Chris: 56:15

handicap to be my

Grant: 56:17

age. Are we talking 30, 35 or

Chris: 56:21

Well, you know, I turned 35 this year.

Grant: 56:25

Yeah. Oh, there you go. 35. I mean, Hey, you can get down to 15. You can get half of that. 17 and a half. Am I doing math, right? Yes. Math on the fly. I'm just here for

Tyler: 56:38

it. I want to ask you one question then to my last question, but my next question for you would be. Anyone listening. So I'm thinking about my senior advisor at work, financial advisor. He's an avid golfer. So if you could give him one or two major things to like make sure you focus on this, what would

Grant: 56:57

it be? Well, I would, I would say, you know, if if you wanted to take that home assessment, because that'll give you a lot of really good detail and information on like how you move as an individual with your body. Right. We're talking about rotational mobility. We're talking about what kind of golfer you are Like classifying you as a this golfer as a this golfer, you know, you're are you a ticking time bomb? Are you a well balanced golfer? Are you these other golfers? How do you compare to people your age in these power metrics, but also your swing speed? Yeah after the age of 40 you Start to lose three to five percent of your power Every year. Oh, wow, if you don't do anything About it. For golfers, you start to lose probably, you know, relatively the same with your swing speed if you don't train and if you don't train well. And so the most power or the most powerful thing I could tell you is you need to look at these different metrics, see how you stack up against other people your age, and see what you got to do about it. Because if you're in pain, just because you might be getting older, just because you're getting older doesn't mean that pain has to be the normal, right? It's common, but it doesn't have to be normal. And so if you're in pain, try to fix that. Find somebody, reach out to us and fix that the best you can so that you can play golf advertly, right? Or as much as you want to compete in tournaments, you know, and Carolina Golf Association tournaments. And, you know, if you're looking to add distance, you have got to train. You have got to train because if you don't, you're going to get hurt. Don't look for gadgets. Don't look for a bunch of different things to try to fix this and this about your swing if you haven't addressed your body first. And that's going to also impact your day to day life. Yeah. The amount of golfers that I've worked with that, that you know, they tell me like, Hey, Grant, this really, really helped me with my golf game, but man, in my day to day life, like a lot of grandfathers, like, and you know, like I can pick up my kid or my grandkid and I can, you know, tussle with them on the ground and I can chase after them and keep up with them. And yeah. I was dealing with, you know, I, I couldn't get out of the bed in the morning without just like feeling like, Oh, I'm going to fall apart. But that's not the case anymore. The arthritis I had in my back, I don't feel that anymore. I've had that for a decade. And so, you know, things like that, like what are some, what's the most powerful thing I could say? Do something about. Your body, because if you aren't doing something for it, you know, it's it's just going to continue to, to age, right? And so we're, we're in this constant fights, you know, you can call it father time. You don't have to let that take the best advantage of you. There's something that you can do about it. And, you know, we can go into I'd love talking about like things like metabolic health and things, strategies that you can do to improve your health overall and your wellness. But in the terms of golf, that's what I would say. Right.

Tyler: 1:00:15

That's awesome. I appreciate all of that. That's great. Because I know I'm going to go back to work on Monday and be like, Oh, Hey, I had this guy on the podcast and listen to that one. So I was like, I have to throw in a plug for him and make sure that he has some tips in there. There's a reason to listen. Exactly. Yeah. But now you hit on a point that I have loved talking to people like yourself, especially on the podcast this past year. It is saying that no matter what your age is, pain is not normal. It may be calm, but not normal. That's right. And so, yeah, I, I just love that you're just another professional and doctor on the podcast to be like, Hey, even though you're feeling this pain, it's not normal. There's

Grant: 1:00:52

something we can do about it. And the amount of people I've heard to be told just deal with it or just kind of, you know, it's just a part of getting older, you know, either from their friends or even from other doctors. You know, it's normal. Like, yeah, you got the arthritis and that's just a part of the game. That's just a part of life. It's like, no, like, now granted there are obviously circumstances that you can't control. Like if you got some kind of autoimmune thing or some kind of, you know, thing going on on the side that is a major factor in it. But the normal, the way that we should feel as we get older. The way that we should feel, it's going to directly relate to how well we're taking care of ourself. And it is normal to not be in pain because that's telling you that there isn't danger. There isn't a threat going on. Pain's very complex. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. Pain is very, very complex. There's a little story about that. If you're, if you care for me to share. Yeah. There's a gentleman who he he had really, really, really bad low back pain that, you know, no one was able to help. And, frankly you get to the conclusion of, like, the interaction with him and, you know, There's just nothing mechanical that you can reproduce. There's nothing that you can do physically. It's like, all right, so this is, this is something unique and different. There are a lot of pain classifications that you can get into in the pain science world, right? There, there's a lot of stuff going on with this gentleman. And you know, you tell them, I want you to keep a journal, a pain journal. Seems silly, but it's very practical. What are some events like when you have that spike of pain? What are some things that, you know, physically, that were going on? Emotionally? Stress related? How much sleep did you get? What preceded that huge bout of pain that you had? Yeah. Start trying to find, connecting the dots, try to find connections, right? Came back, he said, you can't help me. Okay, tell me more. What did you find through your journaling? Yeah. I only have really, really bad low back pain that's persistent and so severe when I'm at my mother in law's. Now it's funny but at the same time it's fascinating because he lived next door. Oh wow. What did he do? He moved across town. And only had to deal with it to small degrees going back to in laws. And he, he got along fine with them. Right. But it was just more of a matter of kind of the stress response. Yeah. That his body was having. There was nothing wrong with his low back. And it had to do with all these other things of, like, threats and, and danger, danger of, you know, these things are going on and that the brain interprets it as pain. Right. And probably somewhere that he had pain before. Yeah, right, exactly. That's where you're going to be a lot more susceptible to having these experiences. And so pain overall is an experience. So there are caveats when it comes to, you know, pain, right? Is it normal to experience it? You should be able to move well. Yeah. And so I know you guys are avid or avid you know. Weightlifters or health enthusiasts, right? Aside from the occasional whiskey yeah, but we got some water here to, to help with that, right? But you know, the, the health that you create for yourself through getting enough sleep through through what you eat and being well versed and understanding how, what you eat affects how you feel and so sleep, eating, nutrition. Exercise, getting your VO two max up. Oh boy. We're getting into some weeds there, but basically improving your metabolic health. Resistance training, it's going to help improve your blood pressure, your, your heart stuff. It's going to improve your glucose regulation, your blood sugar regulation, right? It's going to improve the quality of your bones. You know, you don't get more bone density as you get older, right? You start to have osteoporosis, broken bones, holy bones that can then get broken a lot easier, but you can change the geometry of your bones through resistance training, geometry meaning. So if you took a big. So you could have a small stick, right? That's hollow. Right. Or parotic. Osteoporosis. Very moldy, right? And you can snap that thing really easily. Or*you could take a big bamboo thing that's just super, super, like huge, but very hollow. But the geometry is different, right? That's harder to break. Yeah. Right. So you can improve that through resistance training, through strength training. Right. And so. So doing those things, cardiovascular exercise strength training, all of these different things are going to help you feel better and feel good. And so it's not normal to, to experience pain on a day to day basis and tightness, right? And now you're 50, you're 60 and you're tight all the time. Well, what are you doing about it? And if what you're doing about it isn't helping. It might be time to look at something else because I have a lot of golfers that'll, that'll stretch, have done plenty of stretching, have done yoga and have done all these different things and it doesn't help their tightness. A lot of the time tightness is a reflection of not having enough strength in certain muscle groups. Tight hamstrings. Oh man, my hamstrings are so tight. Well it's likely because they might be weak if you've been trying stretching and it hasn't been helping that sensation because the brain is smart. When there's a, when there's a lack of stability in a certain segment of the body, it's going to try to create that some way to prevent you from hurting yourself. And so, you know, until you give it adequate strength in that area, there's normal levels of tightness too. But there's what I'm talking about right here is just a kind of persistent level of, ah, it just feels tight. I gotta, I just gotta stretch that out. And the brain is sending that. As a protective mechanism. Now, if you ignore that, and you stretch, and you stretch, and you stretch, and you continue, what ends up happening for a lot of people, is it then turns into pain. And so, how do you fix that? Through assessing, obviously. But for a lot of people, you get them out of pain, first of all, through, you know, soft tissue work, through certain exercises, whatever they might need. But... You got to stabilize and that's an area you got to find out what areas aren't working the way that they should and Coordinating the way that they should and what happens is that the brain starts getting these safety signals of? All right, we're good. We're stable here so I can I can let off Of the pain I can let off of that tightness and then the person's like, I feel amazing. It doesn't bother me like it used to. And it's like, you did the right things this time. You're giving it the right therapeutic things that it needs. And so that's the nuance behind, you know, there's a lot more nuances, but that's a simple kind of introduction into like, well. Should I continue stretching if it's not working? No, it, there might be other ways that you can improve how you feel. And so that's where it's important to have somebody kind of take a look at you. It's a qualified to do so. Good to know.

Tyler: 1:08:44

Well, with that, we have come up on our time for today and we have one last question for you. Where can we shout you out at?

Grant: 1:08:52

You can find us on Instagram, find us on Facebook. Instagram is going to be the place that we're going to be more interactive. Right. Facebook. I don't know about you, but it's a tough platform. Same. Yeah, it is a tough platform. So yeah, mainly Instagram we're on YouTube. I have a pretty large video database on YouTube. If anyone's interested in kind of. You know, educational content on golf and all things golf and their body and fun, you know, just some exercises, you know, I want to help as many golfers as we can. And, you know, if you, if you're like, man, I don't have a job, I don't have anything that I can do to. Go to that. That's free. And then if you want to work with me and you know, work on something specific, then Hey, we can go that route too. Right. But Instagram, YouTube, our website, change the game, pt. com. We're located off of fourth street, downtown in the Brooklyn arts district. So we're not that far away guys. We're very close just right down the road and really good location. We just recently expanded from 1, 200 square feet to gosh, about 5, 600 square feet. It's huge. We've got a performance- facility now, we've got a golf bay, we've got all the fun kind of gadgets and it's a lot of fun. We've got a bunch of strength classes, fitness classes for golf, for runners, for weightlifters, some advanced weightlifting classes for people wanting to really get to the next level. And on top of that, we you said that right there on top of that. You know, if you guys, if, if you want to schedule an appointment or just kind of see more about who we are, you know, we do offer like currently during the summer, we're offering some free evaluations, right? So for golf or for running or for weightlifters, you know, a little, a free 30 minute consult to kind of figure out like, Hey, who. As you, you specifically, like, what are you looking to achieve? Yeah. Like, I'd pose the same question to these people, right? What is success to you? What are you looking to achieve? What are you wanting to, you know, to change about yourself? Like, you know, as a golfer, these are the things that you're looking for. As a runner, you're looking for these things. As a weightlifter, you're looking for these things. And so, you know, we do offer that in case anybody on the, on the show is wanting to take advantage of that. Just give us a call and, you know, just say that you listened to the Whiskey and Wisdom podcast and, you know, we'll give that to you and get you started on a, on a path that gets you to where your success is. Perfect. Appreciate it. Thank you. I love it.

Chris: 1:11:20

Just so all those who aren't tech savvy want to know all this information will be in the show notes as well as. In our posts. So when we post about this episode, we'll plug in on your info so people can follow you guys on social media, as well as find the quickest and easiest way to get to your website and learn a little bit more for those avid golfers, as well as those who don't want to wake up and have to pop some ibuprofen every morning.

Grant: 1:11:47

That's right. It's not just, I just want to clarify too. It's not just a, I do work with some professional guys, right? Yeah. I work with a bunch of. Older gentlemen and women and everyone in between, you know, the youngest, the youngest that I have right now is 11.

Tyler: 1:12:02

I saw some stuff on like Instagram that you're worth some like younger guys are like really starting to get them like to their peak performance.

Grant: 1:12:07

That's really cool. That's right. So it doesn't matter like what caliber you are, nor how good of a golfer you are. Okay. It doesn't matter like if you're a, you know, a really good golfer, if you're just getting brand spanking new to the sport and you're just like, I got the golf bug. I want to have fun, but I don't want to hurt. So, and, you know, get the fitness side of it too. Yeah. And if you're looking for something that is fitness related, that is also going to help your golf game, you know, there's that too.

Chris: 1:12:36

He's the guy he's here to change the game. All right.

Tyler: 1:12:41

And just a quick shout out for our main sponsor of sway creation. She's out there to. Change the game of our social media presence. So, and done a great job out there as well. So just shout out for sway and make sure you go and check them out as

Grant: 1:12:55

well. Yes. This is game changing fellows. Yeah, exactly. Thank you

Chris: 1:12:59

so much. Thank you guys for listening to the whole episode. We would love it if you would like, comment, share, subscribe. Check us out on Tik TOK and scram Facebook. It definitely helps us out because that algorithm is more wishy washy than a Wilmington summer day.

Grant: 1:13:16

Whether it's going to rain or not. Yes.

Chris: 1:13:18

But yeah, thank you guys. Cheers.

Grant: 1:13:21

Cheers.