Take Advantage of YOUR Life with Christian Cardamone (Aloha Wilmington Real Estate)

Christian Cardamone started investing in real estate in college at UNCW. Worked in bars downtown until 2001 when Christian  and his partners  founded "The Whiskey", a live music venue. He got licensed to sell real estate in 2004 and been full time ever since. He has also started and sold 4 business's locally ( coworx, boat charter company, the whiskey, real estate company) , have masters degree from UNCW, currently the exclusive property manager for the Cargo District and last year my real estate team sold just under 30 million in real estate. Most recently, he owns and operates Designworx and Kent Street Station, ALSO< a new Dad, so he no longer sleeps!

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Transcript

Chris: 0:32

Welcome back everybody to the Whiskey and Wisdom podcast. This is your host, Chris Kellen, with my constant co aggravator. You can

Tyler: 0:41

call me that too, Tyler, y'all.

Chris: 0:44

And this week we have somebody who's been in the community for a very long time, working around doing a bunch of stuff down here. And

Christian: 0:53

what was your name, sir? My name is Christian Cardamone. Cardamone Cardamone Tao.

Chris: 0:58

Oh, okay. I was gonna say

1:00

cardamone.

Christian: 1:01

People say that a lot like the spice. Yeah. Say if that works for you, then yeah. Nah, we'll, we'll call you the

Chris: 1:07

right name. Yeah. Thank you, Christian. But like Tyler mentioned a while ago, he was down in South Carolina, Charleston checking out distilleries. Mm-hmm. And he brought us back some firefly whiskey. It's one of their like blend and it's one of the fun distillery expressions. It's 90 proof, super classic, very cute small bottle, only 375 milliliters. I never understand why it's in milliliters and not ounces because if I go to the bar and make a pore, it's like, oh, do a half ounce. They don't tell me how many milliliters to pour.

Christian: 1:39

Yeah, gotta do the conversion. Stupid mess,

Chris: 1:43

but let's check it out, see how you like it. Tell me what you think, Christian. Cheers.

Christian: 1:48

Cheers. All right. I'll give that two thumbs up. Definitely. Hmm. It's smoother than you think it would be. Yeah. For a 90 proof, definitely. Like usually coffin and hacking are like a lazy eye after that. That's, that's pretty good. That was

Chris: 2:05

good. Yeah, I'm like, it has a lot more flavor than I was expecting, so like my tongue was adjusting and like absorbing all of the, mm-hmm. The flavors in there. Mm-hmm. It was good. I would suggest it if they keep making it in the future.

Christian: 2:19

Can you buy this in North Carolina or is it just South Carolina?

Chris: 2:24

That's a great question. It's weird, like you used to be able to get Firefly.

Tyler: 2:27

Yeah. So most of the Firefly can be bought in North Carolina now, so that bottle in particular, they're discontinuing. So I'm not sure if you can buy that in North Carolina still anymore or not. But I know some of these other bottles that you have seen or will see on the podcast, you will be able to buy

Christian: 2:44

North Carolina. Yeah. Not to be confused with Fireball, correct. Right. The distillery that's. Oh yeah. We don't want, we don't wanna cross that. No. Yeah. Don't wanna mix.

Tyler: 2:53

Mix

2:53

those

Chris: 2:53

up. No. FIREFLYs really great. They make a lemonade of vodka. Mm-hmm But you have to pick it up in South Carolina because they can't ship it across borders cuz it changes the flavor cuz they use real lemons. Interesting. You should try it if you're ever in South Carolina. All

Christian: 3:07

right. But

Chris: 3:11

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Christian: 3:38

Yeah. Without

Tyler: 3:39

further ado, Christian, tell us a little bit more

Christian: 3:41

about yourself. Okay. I'm a brand new dad. That's kind of the biggest thing in my life. That's exciting. Congratulations. Thank you. She's 13 months old and it's been the most insane year of my life. Yeah. I'm fortunately married to a beautiful woman who helps me take care of this little child. But I've been in Wilmington, moved from upstate New York in 96, so I'm kind of the. Hybrid Local. Yeah. I went to one year of high school here and it was, it was all new to me, so I decided to stay. Went to c w, stuck around, decided to start up my own business and get into real estate and kinda the rest is history. So it's been a, a, had a great time living Wilmington. I love it here very much so. I think this is awesome that you guys are here planting your flag. And spreading the word, the gospel of Wilmington. Yeah. Thank you. Mm-hmm. My voice is not normally this deep, so, but this is good for me. Yeah, that's perfect. I'll come through as a, as a real tough guy over there. Yeah. Audio.

Chris: 4:38

I thought he was like six, seven, you know?

Christian: 4:40

Right. Yeah. They look the short little bald guy. Yeah.

Tyler: 4:44

220 pounds.

Christian: 4:45

Six seven linebacker.

Chris: 4:47

Yeah. So you went to U C W, what'd you get a degree in? Anything

Christian: 4:51

fun? I thought it was fun. It was communication studies. Oh yeah. Okay. But it's basically because I started, I mean, I was basically every major you could be, and I just kept pivoting every semester. I'm also horrible at math, so that kind of ended up pushing me that direction. I was gonna go business first and I was just, I'm so bad at math that I couldn't get through. So communications was the path of lease resistance. Okay. And it turned out to be a good fit. I, I really enjoyed it. So, that's what I ended up graduating with five years later. Yeah,

Tyler: 5:24

I mean, I guess, I'm sure many people don't think communications and real estate being in the same thing, but really it all being in real estate is, is communications. Oh,

Christian: 5:34

absolutely. It's all, it's all about relationships and the way you can read people, interact with people and, and help Serve them really. So, right. It's whether, it's not all like verbal, it's non-verbal. It's there's like broadcasting elements of it. Mm-hmm. It's just, it's a cool discipline. And the more the more I got into it, I was, I kinda wish I had started there sooner and I was, looked into doing like a master's degree at some point in that same vein, but my mom did that. And so I kind of got to see that whole curriculum through, through that lens. So, I, I went a different direction, but yeah. You're likes do that. Yeah, I'm

Tyler: 6:07

good. Yeah. So you started investing in real estate while you were in college?

Christian: 6:11

I did, yeah. Okay. So how'd you start out

Tyler: 6:13

while you were in college with kind of the time and money and all of the things I'm sure a lot of people ask, right?

Christian: 6:17

Yeah. It was great. I just got a student loan and then instead of, instead of paying for my college, I went and had a down payment outta a house. Awesome. Yeah. So I bought this like little shanty right over by U N C W. And at first I rented the whole thing out and then I was renting on the beach. Mm. So this is great. They were paying my mortgage and paying my rent on the beach. And then ultimately a couple years later, I moved in there, rented out the rooms and, and got a vibe for being a slum Lord. Kind of dug it and and then just went from there. Started kind of trying to collect and got licensed and it was just, Something I've always wanted to do, so, yeah. Oh, that's neat. I jumped in head first. Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm.

Chris: 6:57

I still will never understand why I can get a school loan, but I can't get a, a mortgage at

Christian: 7:02

18. It's crazy. They, like, they throw money at you for student loans. Mm-hmm. And I mean, I guess it's an investment in you, but these things are like, yeah, mortgage than need, like blood sample, stool sample, everything. Right. And it's like o otherwise just say, I'm going here and sign here. And then, Here's this much money. It's crazy. But so I, I kind of took advantage of that. That's smart. Yeah. Sally may check and bought a house and the return was, was much better than it probably would've been if it went to my, to your school schooling clearly. Yeah. This is funny. Cause

Tyler: 7:35

if you would've done that during your time, just went to the bank and be like, Hey, I found this great property. Like, can I have a loan? They'd be like, hell

Christian: 7:42

no. Yeah, I know. Exactly. I'm just like doofus little 18 year old. But that was, that was kinda the start. I got that first house and having other people pay your mortgage for you is kind of a, it's the premise of real estate, right? It's someone's, you gotta pay rent somewhere. Yep. You're either paying it to a landlord or to yourself. Mm-hmm. And eventually the house is gonna get paid off, so you might as well have someone else do it for you. Yeah. And it didn't seem like it was rocket science to me. So, and then, so

Tyler: 8:10

from that point, At some point you end up with the whiskey. Yeah. So how did the transition go from just having a small house and running that out one to one and then getting to the point where you're running your

Christian: 8:22

own bar? That was, I think the year 2001 we started it. Oh, okay. And I, I was bartending downtown and, and in the, in like nightclub scene and I thought I was the coolest guy ever, you know? Yeah. And we kind of like, same thing with real estate. We started. Realizing how much money we were making for the guy that owned this club. And I was like, why? Why don't we just do this? Let's start our own club. Yeah. And we were all musicians at the time, so we figured we have a place to play music and, you know, chase girls and, and get ripped and yeah. So we kind of, but at the money together and found this little venue right at the corner front market. It was really, it was awesome. So it was a big transition from working at a bar where you leave at two? Yes. Not, not a worry in the world to owning it and running it. And then we had some crazy ideas on what the theme was gonna be originally. And ultimately a buddy of mine suggested the whiskey cuz it was like timeless, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I'm so glad we did that because some of the other ideas we had, not so much they wouldn't have had the legacy that the whiskey has. So like what? One of our partners want to call it the Regal Beagle named after like a threes company. Yeah. And then we had some other like dumb names. That was probably the dumbest one, but, right. Yeah.

Chris: 9:36

I mean, if you lived in the city where three's company was filmed, it would make more sense.

Christian: 9:40

Totally. It'd be like a homage to that or whatever, but down here in Wilmington, it's, it wouldn't have been a good fit. So. Yeah.

Chris: 9:49

But I love, I love the whiskey. Me and Tyler were going back and forth because Front Street has gone through so much change. Yeah. Even in the last 10 years. Mm-hmm. And I look back, I'm like, oh, I've been drinking for at least 15 years now. Yeah. And it's seeing all of the rotation because I remember I turned 21, came back from Basic and we went to River Rat and jumped into the whiskey. Yeah. As if you're bored. Whiskey had some really good live music Yeah. Throughout the week. And then you could just go next door and be like, okay, well I want to. I can't get a bar drink at this bar. I'll just walk in here and get another one.

Christian: 10:26

Nail a couple shots and then go back to the river rat. Yes. Yeah, those, our kind of signature thing was we had a thing called the special. Mm-hmm. For five bucks you got a shot of Evan Williams Green Label and an old Milwaukee can. Nice man. But we had like good special people would come in and get the, like, these like raging degenerate alcoholics would come in like during the day and get that and the college kids, we wanted to make it like affordable. Yeah. Right. Because like five or six bucks was like the high end for a drink. Back then it was, yes, probably dating myself. But yeah, it was the golden age of downtown in my mind at least. It probably wasn't, but in my

Chris: 11:01

mind, I mean, I would say it was part of the resurgence cuz downtown went from like, what it was, from like years and years ago when everything was there and then it kind of fell off. Yep. And I feel like your business was one of the reasons that kind of brought people downtown. To give it more of that resurgence to where it's at now. Thank you.

Christian: 11:22

Yeah. Cause I had that. You're welcome. Wilmington's, right? Exactly. Yeah. We, it was just you know, college night was a thing back then. Yes. Everyone goes out and it's like, oh, you can drink. Or like Long Island ice teas were the thing that people drank. I don't know if they still do that anymore, but we just started the bar because we wanted to work for ourselves and we loved music and. Whiskey and and just like having, it was a, it was a boy's like clubhouse for the longest time. Yeah. We like sleep there and stuff. It was crazy.

Chris: 11:47

Was there an upstairs to that or you guys

Christian: 11:48

just had the bottom floor? We had the bottom floor, but the second floor, there's a three story building. Yeah. The second floor was just like bombed out, open shell space, so that was where we would like sneak up there and dirty deeds done, dirty, cheap, you know. It was awesome. And then going on the roof for like the fireworks, it was climbing up this like inverted. Ladder through like a scuttle hole. It was yeah, lots of scrapes and dings and I believe it. Yeah. It's a good time though. That's awesome. Yeah,

Chris: 12:15

like for some reason I love those stories cuz like, you don't think of that when I think of downtown, I just think of like people just getting plastered and doing stupid stuff in alleys. Yeah. But your story reminds me of like something like I would see in like a TV show or a movie. We're like, oh hey, we had a bunch of friends that got together. Yeah. We bought a bar and.

Christian: 12:34

We went from there. It was really a great experience start to finish. We made it through, we ran it for five years. Nobody, you know, nobody died. No, no law, no, no lawsuits. Like one little IRS hiccup that we got through. Then we sold it to some of our dear friends who ran it and even just elevated it to the next level, started getting in bigger bands, and then we sold it again to another gentleman who had it for a couple years, and then ultimately, They just had to shut it down. Cause they Jim Goodnight bought the building and then they rehabbed the whole thing. That's right. Yeah. So it was just a, you know, sad, mainly because we lost a great music venue downtown. It wasn't a big room, but it was a great stage. It sounded good. And there's not a lot of small to medium size venues to see music. Right. So that sucks. But hopefully, we'll, you know, they're, we're getting places back that are a little more friendly cuz we have an awesome music scene here. So Yeah,

Chris: 13:26

we really do. I. You're saying that, and I forget that there was live music up and down the street mm-hmm. For years. And now it feels like there's like one or two spots. Like I love, cause we were talking earlier like what Eagles Dare is doing right now. Yeah, totally. Cuz they're doing summer concerts and I'm like, that's what we need is there's so many music that they need a place to show up.

Christian: 13:50

Yeah. And there's like, there's big venues which are great, like Greenfield Lake and Yeah. Pavilion. But. There's not a lot of like, there's not like a shitty dive bar to go see a great rock band. Yeah. Reggie's is a great spot, but it's Midtown. Yep. But downtown, there's all these, everyone has a theme now, so they'll have someone maybe show up and play acoustic or a duo, but mm-hmm. If you wanna just go out to like, have dinner and see a rock band. It. There was no place like that. You can't just roll in. Oh. So

Tyler: 14:18

it's funny you mentioned that too. I was literally just having that conversation before we stepped in here too, that the only thing that you can really listen to in Wilmington right now is like real small, like acoustic, like solo duo type of things going on. Yeah. And they all sound very like similar-ish, like the folky country type of thing too. Like you don't have like a true rock band venue anymore. There's a few,

Chris: 14:39

like I went to some, but they're not like, In the spots where people assume, like you have Reggie's. Yeah. And then like the other place I was at Cody's. Oh yeah. Cody's down Monkey Junction. Oh yeah. Down in Monkey Junction. And there was a, a rock band playing long story as so why I was down there. But yeah, I'm like, these are spaces, but we, they're not advertised. Yeah. In a, it's kind of sucky

Christian: 15:03

if you're into the scene and you're into music in bands and following him, you'd, you'd know about him, but just average Joe.

Tyler: 15:08

Yeah. Right. Like you're not gonna be walking down on Front Street and be like, oh, what's that band in there? And walk into it. Exactly. None of those type of venues.

Christian: 15:14

Yeah. You know, sorry. Some, someone will pick up the torch soon, I'm sure, and yeah, they'll find

Tyler: 15:20

the need for it and it'll get, get in there. Yeah. So completely off of those topics. You also had a boat charter company? I did. Yeah. See that was the one thing I didn't know anything about, about you. Yeah. That was

Christian: 15:32

like a little blip on the radar, but it was super cool. So how'd you get started in that? Then? We went down to Fort Lauderdale. My sister used to live there. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so we went there and we were FaceTiming with my brother who was in England at the time. And they lived on the 23rd story on the New River. And he was looking and he could see a boat going by from the FaceTime. And he's like, wait, put the camera on, what is that? And we zoomed in and it's this like floating tiki bar. Mm-hmm. It's called a cruise and tiki. So we were like, he's like, when I come to visit you guys, we're gonna charter that thing. So. Year later he comes back, we charter it, and the whole time we're on there, the captain, he actually built it and he's like, yeah, I sell these things. And so we were, you know, had a couple drinks and we're like, we're buying one. And so we did, we bought it and brought it back to Wilmington and he asked us to be part of his franchise and we're like, we're just gonna start our own brand. Like, we don't want to kind of be beholden to that. Yeah. We think we can kind of do it and we don't wanna have to like call down to Fort Lauderdale when there's an issue, so. We started our brand, it was Aloha Tiki Charters. I've seen that. And it was just, I saw it. It was just awesome. I mean, it was, that's so cool. We had it for two, two and a half years. We ran charters, two hour charters around Wrightsville Beach. Mm-hmm. And I have my captain's license, so I was the, I drove it for a while. And yeah, just like great. I mean, when I retire I just wanna be a boat captain. Yeah, totally. A hundred percent.

Chris: 16:59

But I mean, you could retire now.

Christian: 17:03

He has a, I'll have another drink, right?

Tyler: 17:05

Yeah. He has a child now. Yeah. I got

Christian: 17:07

it. All changes. The the Annie has been upped a little bit,

17:10

but,

Chris: 17:10

so with the tea, did you guys sell that off or did it just

Christian: 17:14

covid hit? No, we did, we sold it. Perfect timing. We had a, we actually sold it back to the manufacturer. Okay. And did really well with it and just decided to sunset that and we, I think we bought a piece of real estate with the money and, but it was a great, another like situation where business started. Lot of fun growing it. Mm-hmm. And they had like a great exit and check the box and onto the next one. So yeah. That's

Chris: 17:37

neat. Yeah. So, so you're the person I need to go to for what's the name of the fancy real estate? How come see you one day? The Fancy real estate? Well, no, cuz there's like traditional real estate like houses and. Commercial. Commercial. Thank you. In my head I was thinking Cosmopolitan and I'm like, that's not the right word.

Tyler: 17:57

Commercial real estate. Commercial

Christian: 17:57

real estate. Estate, yeah. Yeah. Christian's guy for that.

Chris: 18:00

So, which is my transition. So you went from buying houses, being a, a landlord, we're not gonna call you a slum Lord cuz you weren't a slum Lord. Yeah. But you're in commercial now. Yeah. Do you, do you mainly commercial or do you a mix of both. Like what's your.

Christian: 18:20

I do, I don't know, maybe like 60 40 commercial residential. So I do, like, my, my day job is I am a broker, so I help people buy and sell houses. Okay. And I also help investors buy and sell commercial real estate. So I enjoy commercial real estate more just because it's, it's a bit less emotional. It's more, um mm-hmm. Properties based on most of the time income. Mm-hmm. And certain other features versus like, You know, the beautiful chandelier or you know, the, the open floor plan? Yes. Just, I'm not like the kind of guy who can walk in and, and sell that dream to somebody, but I can help someone. I enjoy helping people make money on real estate. Okay. Or so commercial makes that easier for me to do. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Chris: 19:02

So, and that drives me because commercial has always been so confusing to me. Yeah. Cause. My house makes plenty of sense. But commercial real estate falls under like, sorry if you can't talk about this, just be like but when you get into commercial real estate, you guys, you help people, do you do mostly just buying the whole strip mall or do you help people like get in and rent those properties and locations?

Christian: 19:27

I do do both. Okay. So like in the commercial real estate world, you can be a broker for buyers and sellers. Mm-hmm. And you can also be like a tenants representative. So I can help people go. And find a new studio or a new doctor's office. Or if someone has a property that's vacant, they want me to find them a tenant, we, we do that as well. Or like a bottle shop or something. Exactly. Yeah. So it's, that's cool. I, I enjoy that part about it. Cuz then you get to help people start their business and like, that's their, that's their dream most of the time, what they wanna do. So to help foster that the genesis of that process I think is awesome. That's been like my favorite part about being in this neighborhood. Because it's all young entrepreneurs and hustlers like you guys that are here and just building something out of nothing. Yeah. And I think this is amazing.

Chris: 20:13

Yeah. That's part of the reason why we stepped into this space is because it was like, it, when you, you get into a property or get into a concept, having people around you with that same energy mm-hmm. Helps you grow. Like, I feel like it's very hard and there's, people do it all the time, but it's harder for you to. Get commercial real estate or like open up a business in a spot that's dying. Yeah. And like elevate that location versus being in a spot that's has a up and coming

Christian: 20:44

feel. Yeah. And this has been, this neighborhood has been kind of, anomaly in its own right anyway. Mm-hmm. Cuz it's like mm-hmm. Just in the weirdest spot. But it is kind of like a bridge between downtown and Forest Hills. Mm-hmm. So you've got the demographics and the, the people passing through, but. The nice thing is, you know, when the tide comes in, all the ships rise, and so everybody working together in this neighborhood that they might experience a lot of the same issues. They can talk to each other, they can work together, they can, the collaboration element is like huge here. Yeah. People do that and then, and social media obviously is like a massive tool for all that, but it's just, it's crazy when I first got here seeing some of these. I say kids just cause I'm, I'm not that old I don't think, but I see these, these like young people starting businesses just like off of Instagram pretty much. And they've got droves of people coming in. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah, this is amazing. And so it's just been like a tidal wave of that and so I think it's really cool. Yeah. I dunno where else was going with that, but Yeah. And

Tyler: 22:08

you've been around this, the fir since like the inception, right? With Co-works and then kind of growing that

Christian: 22:12

way and then aloha. Yeah. So I came up here to work. One day it co-works on a recommendation of a buddy of mine and was just like, holy shit, this, I've lived here for a long time and this is like right in my backyard. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I wasn't really a believer on it at all until I got here. Yeah. And so I started working at Co-works and then I met Leslie and we hit it off really good. And he is like, Hey, you want to, you know, help me out, manage my stuff. And so I was like, of course. So we did. And that's when my management company. Kind of got elevated. We grew and more into commercial real estate at that point. Cause I was just doing residential management. Mm-hmm. And then we stepped into commercial pretty big at that point. And and now we manage the whole neighborhood, all the properties that, that they own. And we have some of our own. So it's just, it's cool. I think it's cool.

Chris: 22:59

That's really neat. Yeah. It's been nice to see the growth too. Mm-hmm. I mean, we've been here for a year and just seeing like the spots and locations just kind of add new. Energy. Yeah. And new tenants, I guess. Cuz everyone, I feel like this location, despite what some people might think, gives a, an, an opportunity, I guess for people who would not normally have that option to have like a storefront. Yeah.

Christian: 23:26

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean that's, that's part of the equation, I think is making it a low threshold of entry. For people to have spaces like co-works or some shared office space where you can come in and, you know, you don't have to go and rent a free standing building for five grand a month and then pay utilities on top of that. Yeah. And then fit it up and everything. So here they, they make it easy to like just step right in. And we have so many businesses and tenants that. Outgrow their space. Mm-hmm. Which is, which is the goal, you know? Exactly. Kinda like incubate and, and develop and grow. And so they'll, they might jump to a different property in the neighborhood or a different building or something like that. And we make that transition very easy for them. No penalties and stuff like that. And that's cool because people who may have never started their business than can. Right. And some of'em are just wildly successful. It's awesome.

Chris: 24:15

So, I mean, you say that and you're drinking some drinks over here.

Christian: 24:21

This stuff. Have you guys had these?

Tyler: 24:22

We had. We had'em on the podcast.

Christian: 24:24

Oh, did you? Yes. I'll have to listen to that one. That's, I didn't even know that. Shout out to drinks. Exactly. They're fantastic. I was like, when I first met them, they're. Tremendous people. I love them. But I was like, drinks, I don't know. Yeah. And now I, you know, my accountant's like, what the heck is drinks? Because basically it's like my 401K is drained because this is, I I have probably five a week. They're amazing. Oh, yeah. But I'm very happy they're here. And they're, those are two April and Joey are two people that are like, Testament of success in the neighborhood. Yep. Yeah. Started just with great attitude, work ethic, and then outgrew their space and now they're like taking over, you know, they're just, they're awesome. They deserve it. Yeah.

Tyler: 25:03

Yeah, exactly. It just kind of proves the point that if you have a hard work ethic and you have a great idea, and especially having an incubator place like the Cargo District. Yeah. Being able to step in and just being able to take off like that and Yeah. Show, show what

Christian: 25:17

hard work can do for you. It's great. And that's But you said if you were just out down the street, you know, on Oleander you wouldn't have that, so Yeah. Yeah. Or somewhere downtown maybe has that on some level, but this is like really like a weird community of people that like mm-hmm. Everybody. You guys are probably the last two that I hadn't met. Yeah. And like I, I've seen you like in passing, but that's why I was excited to be a part of this. So, yeah. Thank you by the way, for having me. I didn't say that at the beginning. Oh yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

Chris: 25:41

I think it's fun because like this is a space that. Draws people in. Mm-hmm. And they see new venues and they're like, oh, well this was here a couple weeks ago. And you're like, well, they expanded. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And so, well now they're down the street or if they move to this location. Yep. And I think it, like you said, it's a true testament that this like co-works and all of the cargo district is just a good spot for growth. Yeah, man,

Christian: 26:04

it's cool. So something I just

Tyler: 26:07

saw today actually. It looks like you're also speaking at the C W's Integrated Marketing Communications. Yes. Event They have on June 1st. Yes.

Christian: 26:15

Well, we're gonna be there as well. I'm glad I I the email today. Yep. Yeah, I did too. And I was like, oh, shit. I totally forgot about that. I don't worry. I did too. Yeah. Chris just hadn't made that face. I saw you guys out there. I was like, all right. This will be great. We're gonna be, we'll get through it together. Right. Exactly. But I, I'm happy to, to contribute. I'm not, I don't have anything like planned or anything. I just kinda, I'll show up and answer questions or, and participate. Yeah.

Chris: 26:40

Yeah. I think it's, as long as you're reinvesting in your community, I think it's a great thing. Totally. Yeah. Especially cuz you're a graduate and alumnus, is that the right word? I think so. Alumni.

Tyler: 26:52

No. Or

Chris: 26:54

all of them. Yes. Yeah. Anyways, I think it's nice. I, I hate when you're, when you graduate and you're like, all right, peace, goodbye, and you don't reinvest because then the schools start charging people more and more money. Like if we reinvested it, give it more reason

Christian: 27:10

to come back. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's a great university too. Mm-hmm. I, the experience was probably more beneficial than the actual piece of paper. Yeah. Although I know it's like tough as shit to get into c w now, so that's what I've heard. Yeah. So a smart guy here cuz I got a degree from there, but I could never get in now if it was up to me. But yeah, I think being, giving back to stuff like that U C w is important. So yeah, Wilmington's

Tyler: 27:34

doing a good job and I think carby district's part of that too. Just giving people to actually giving them the ability to actually stay in Wilmington now. Yeah, exactly. Because Just, even when I graduated, there wasn't many opportunities to stay. So it's, it's exciting to see that grow too.

Christian: 27:48

Yeah. I mean, for the longest time, it's like you're either retired. Mm-hmm. Or you're like a mortgage, you're a real estate person, or you're like in healthcare. Yep. That's it. Yeah. And there was not, or you worked in like service industry. Yeah. So now we have some more industry here. Mm-hmm. And the university helps with that, you know, on some level. But now that's, we can become a real city. Right. Exactly. We can stay. That's,

Chris: 28:11

we were talking to somebody that about that a couple weeks ago where like Wilmington is, is in between, I feel like we're in our adolescence because like we've grown up, died, came back, but we're in that spot where we're trying to figure out who we want to be. Mm-hmm. We're like, well, hmm, we'd love to be Charleston. Yeah. But we really don't want to be Myrtle Beach. I, I agree with that. I mean, not that Myrtle Beach is a bad place to visit, but it's a place to visit. And I want, I would love Wilmington to be a spot to visit, but also to like, do a bunch of local things. Yeah.

Christian: 28:46

It's a, it's between the river the historic downtown, you know, the, the different beaches we have here. And then little pocket neighborhoods like this. It's really, I mean, it's a. I've traveled a, a ton, probably. I think I've been to like 25 or 26 countries and Oh, wow. And, and this is always where I want to call home

Chris: 29:02

for sure. Yeah. So, because I like to do rabbit holes traveling. Mm-hmm. You've been to more countries than I could think to visit. What was your third favorite country to go to? Third

Christian: 29:18

favorite. Yes. Hmm. Well, I got nostalgic when I was listening to Joe's episode cause I went to Morocco a couple days oh ago. Oh, did you? And it was, it, it, I followed his trip when he was, you know, through the interview. Oh yeah. It was fucking crazy. It looked cool, but I was, I went by myself and I was Oh, nice. I stayed in Marrakesh for like a week. That was my third. Okay. Yeah.

Tyler: 29:41

How'd you, how'd you find Morocco? Did you just like throw a dart at the map or is that a place that you were wanting to go?

Christian: 29:46

I've always wanted to just go to Africa. Oh, okay. You know, and it's like, that's probably the easiest point of entry to Africa. Yeah. Because it's not like a 40 hour plane ride and Right. My brother was living in the United Kingdom at that point in time. Oh, gotcha. So I was over there, so it was actually like really easy to do. Yeah. But it was a crazy place, man. It was like the square in the old city in the Medino was like, You used to walk down and there's like fucking king cobras everywhere and like, oh wow. It was just, it was the most insane place I've ever been in my entire life. So I was like kind of terrified. Very stoked to do it. Yeah. My whole family's like, get the fuck out, come home. Can't believe you're doing this. I just started dating my wife and she's like, oh my God, I like boyfriends in Morocco. What's going on? You know, so, but it was a lot of fun, I think, how are we gonna get his body back? Exactly. Exactly. I always

Chris: 30:33

ask that question. Well, I change it up, up. How,

Tyler: 30:36

how

Christian: 30:36

do you get your body back? Well,

Chris: 30:39

if I've told people before, if I die overseas, just leave me there. But I ask, like everyone always automatically thinks like, what's your first, like what was the best place you went to? Mm-hmm. And I'm like, well, of course it's the best place cuz it's all this. But like, when you gotta break it down, I I want to ask like, what's your third favorite? Just like when we try and figure out what's our like top five whiskey. Yeah. Is trying to figure out like what's number three? Because you gotta figure out like what's number two

Christian: 31:05

in one? Yeah. Well every place has different features and things. Yeah. Like if you want to go like, my favorite beach places or my favorite mountain places or my favorite like hiking places or whatever. So every destination has something different. So kinda have to quantify it a little bit. But I liked I went to Cuba. That was a really weird place cause that's what I've heard. Yeah. We've been to like a communist. Empire. So that was very unique. One of my buddies was there

Tyler: 31:29

not too long ago, and he said as soon as he landed, it felt like he like stepped back into like the 1960s.

Christian: 31:35

Totally. Yeah. I mean, don't, aren't

Chris: 31:37

like half the cars there from like the sixties.

Christian: 31:42

Yeah, they're like the, the revolution happened and it throws everything in time, so it's nothing new has come in since then because of the embargo. The only things they have down there, it's weird because you'll see like a 57 Chevy that's like gorgeous. Yes. Held together with like peanut butter and bubble gum, but then there's tons of Russian and Chinese influence there. Oh. So there's lots of like Soviet cars and stuff like that. Okay. Soviet, Russian. And it's weird because the, some of the architecture there is the most beautiful art deco, and then you'll see like the most terrifying communist buildings down there too, like right next to him. So it's, the dichotomy is crazy, but yeah, definitely a time warp. Yeah. That's

Tyler: 32:22

crazy. Mm-hmm. You said there's some badass mechanics down there too, because they're all older vehicles,

Christian: 32:26

so like you have to be Yeah. I mean, they have to be, they just, they're like the most ingenuitive people. Right. Gotta work with what you got, man. Exactly. Mm-hmm. That's cool. What kind of gave you the travel bug? I've always been interested in, I love flying on airplanes. Okay. Are you a pilot yet? No, that's, that's on my list. That's my kind of bucket list. That's my list too. And it's just, it's, I can't wait. I just, with the daughter, I gotta like, can't tap out just yet. Right. So I gotta give that a little while. And I'm hoping that like, I won't be too old and crusty to get my license by the time my daughter's you know, out of the house to do that. But I've just always been interested in new cultures, new, new places. And going back to the whiskey days, we used to, For spring break, we would all just, we'd close the bar and we'd all drive to Orlando and fly to Costa Rica to go surfing. Oh, neat. All of us as a group. And we did that like every year. So that was probably one of the first places we went, and then I just was like, this is awesome. This is cool. So, yeah.

Chris: 33:25

It's interesting too, because like, you don't, like, you hear about these countries that are really close to us, but you don't think about them at the same time. Yeah. It's like, oh, Costa Rica. It's like, it's like a hop, skip. Yeah, away from it. It's pretty easy

Christian: 33:38

flight to get there. What's your guys' third favorite destinations? Good question, or, or fourth.

Chris: 33:45

Well, so for me, technically I've only like stayed in three countries, so my third favorite would be

Christian: 33:56

Afghanistan. There you go.

Chris: 33:59

I mean, a touchdown in classic stand. One of those like as a country north of it. Yeah. And then I was in Argentina. Oh, that's cool. When I was a kid and that was a blast. Was it? Yeah, I think cuz I was like a teenager. Yeah. So I went in, played basketball and you know, did the thing that the churches do, just hung out. I was like, this is the most beautiful. Because we went, we stayed outside of Buenos airs. Oh yeah. And just driving into the city, it was just fun to see like the dichotomy.

Christian: 34:35

Mm-hmm. That's like, that's, that place has been on my list to go Rio And eNav seem like two really cool place. They're really far away, but that just seems like a different

Chris: 34:44

world down there. It is. But the flight wasn't too bad. Mm-hmm. Like I, that was the first like actual long flight I took and that was not as bad as I expected. Yeah. We did hit some heavy turbulence, I'm sure

Christian: 34:59

might probably be

Tyler: 34:59

Mexico. Yeah. There's like, there's some nice places there, but then there's some not great places there, so that's kind of why it goes

Christian: 35:06

like down to third. Yeah. Mainland or Baja or mainland. So, The main

Tyler: 35:12

way that I went in is I was a DJ on a cruise ship for a little bit. No way. And yeah, so it's not as

Christian: 35:17

fun as it sounds. Oh, it sounds, it sounds fucking awesome. Yeah.

Tyler: 35:21

But yeah, we got dropped off like near Kamo. Okay. So the whole like cruise ship route. Yeah. And I didn't have much time down there too. There wasn't a lot of like, stuff that you could do, but of course, like you get off with all of the other people that. Like know what they're doing and you jump in some like random taxi and you Yep. Don't go the tourist route. Yeah. And you're like, all right, taking me back.

Chris: 35:40

Yeah. Okay. I lied. It's Mexico. Yeah. I forgot. I went there for my honeymoon.

Christian: 35:45

Oh, well there you go, man. Forgot. Don't hope your wife. I was gonna say, yeah. I was like, don't listen.

Chris: 35:50

Well, no, because we landed, got in the cab and went to our hotel. Okay. So it was more like, oh, hey, we're in a great location. Yeah. Yeah. And my head was just, Skipped over it.

Christian: 36:02

Yeah. Well, It's on record now. Yes. Right. All right. Love you babe.

Chris: 36:07

So you, real

Christian: 36:08

quick,

Tyler: 36:09

go ahead. So it's your first Mother's Day coming up soon? It is, yes. Any any big plans for the, for the wife on that one? You don't have to say

Christian: 36:16

em cuz she might listen, but Exactly. So this will be after Mother's Day. Oh, that's right. Yeah. This will be after Mother's Day. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, this is my second Mother's Day. Our daughter was born in April, but the first Oh, that's right. The first Mother's Day was like, we were still like triage, like just fucking, let's survive. Right. So I, I, I don't know if I, I think I was able to get away without a major gift for that one, but yeah. I gotta, I gotta, I have something working in my head. It's just, I'll work on it later. I'll work on it. He works at Reeds. Yeah.

Chris: 36:44

Come see me. Father's Day is coming up. What would you like for father

Christian: 36:48

today? It's a good question. You know what I'd like, it's on the list there. The right, the Submariner is calling.

Chris: 36:55

It's surprising, like when we get into watches, everyone's like, oh, can I get one? I'm like, I don't think you realize one. How many people want that watch? Mm-hmm. And two, how many of them I see a year? Yeah, very few.

Christian: 37:09

Sadly. Yeah. That's gotta make it tough. I mean, we've got, yeah. Well,

Chris: 37:13

and because I've talked to people who've traveled the world and been like, oh, well I could get this watch here, but I have to spend this much money. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm not that kind of person. I'm not gonna tell you, you gotta spend 150 K to get a watch. That's 10 grand. Yeah. I'd rather be like, okay, cool. If you want, if you're gonna wait, just wait. I will get it for you. Yeah. But I'm not gonna tell you, you need to spend this much money and you'll get it faster because it's not

Christian: 37:40

gonna happen. I'll probably get it like right when I get my pilot's license 20 years from now, I'll be like, thanks guys. This is

Chris: 37:46

Craig. Well, technically if you're getting your pilot's license, you would want a gmt. Okay. Because that, that watch was actually created for pilots. All right. That's, that's good to know then. Mm-hmm. Which was in a very interesting story to learn about. Have you ever heard about that? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that way they could keep track cuz they all base their timing off of gmt. So like Drew Greenwich time. Yeah. So they would set their watch and move their bezel so they knew exactly when that was and no matter when their flight took off. They were always on time.

Christian: 38:20

Yep. Do you wanna be late? That's good to know. Yes. We can update my profile it reads, so I can be on the list for one of those.

Tyler: 38:27

You can either have the sub mariner, so when you're out, chartering your boats or the GNC when you're

Christian: 38:31

ready to fly the plane. That's it. Thank you.

Chris: 38:33

And for those listening, I don't have a list. It's a pool of interest. That's a

Christian: 38:36

pool of interest. Just,

Chris: 38:39

But you now as we're transitioning, we, we left the country, we're coming back. Mm-hmm. You currently own Designworks in Kent Station? Yep.

Christian: 38:50

Kent Street Station. Yep. Kent Street.

Chris: 38:53

I couldn't find that thing to save my life.

Christian: 38:56

Well, they're the best kept secrets in town. So Designworks is the big building right next to Carpet Smart. Okay. So you got all the container homes right here. Yeah. And then Carpet Smart, and then the big warehouse right next to it between Carpetmart and Family Dollar. Mm-hmm. And the fuzzy needle record store is in the front and it goes all the way from 16th to 17th Street. Okay. Since we've got a bunch of small businesses in there.

Tyler: 39:21

It's Peach pangs is in there. Yes. Who we also had on the podcast. Yeah. He's a cool dude.

Christian: 39:25

Yeah. He's in there. We've got peace Rose Montessori School is in there. They have like kids program in there. Then we have nomadic Blooms. It's great. She just moved in. Rebar Candle. Mm-hmm. Wahoo, screen printing beast Behavior. Bookworm. Pottery. Yes. South Castles. We've got a bunch of just really creative people in there. And it's, it's a neat, I like it just because they're way cooler and more creative than I am, so I just, by proximity principle, I try and feed off it a little bit. Right. But it's a, it's a really cool, like kind of a maker space if you Yeah. If you'll.

Chris: 39:57

So when are you gonna buy a Family Dollar?

Christian: 40:00

Man, I would love to. It's, I think a perfect spot. It's great. It's huge and it's just, mm-hmm. But the people that own it aren't interested in selling it, so Yeah,

Chris: 40:10

I keep thinking, cuz I have my things in my head all the time and I tell Tyler, I'm like, you know, it'd be nice to open up this, or, what about that? Ooh, what if we did this? He's like, no.

Tyler: 40:22

Is that kind of how your brain works too, as an entrepreneur? Like what's the next best thing like we can get into? Because it seems like you're the, the true like serial entrepreneur, right? You build it, you do the creative part of it, build it up, and then sell it and move to the next

Christian: 40:34

one. I'd, I'd like to collect more than sell. Yeah. But that's kind of what I enjoy doing the most, I guess is like the development side of it. Right. But it's mainly. If it's the, if I can take a physical building and find a ways to chop it up or increase the density there, the units, and so it becomes more profitable. Mm-hmm. That's great. But building like the community and stuff inside, I can't do, so I've found that just like finding the right people to cultivate that is the way to do it. Okay. So, because I can't really, you know, I'm like not. In the scene with some of these people. Mm-hmm. So they, I don't speak the language, you know? Yeah. But they go in and they, they have the pride of their business and their ownership, and then they can help spread that through the, through a building or like a neighborhood basically is what happens, has happened here. So doing that like in a individual basis is, is what I enjoy the most. Yeah. So that's what we did with Designworks and then with Kent Street Station, we're developing that. It's like a executive suite building. It's a right behind drinks. If you take a cut through Kent Street. It's a big white building and we've got like, I don't know, 12 or 13 tenants there. And then there's a new garden shop in the back, all the Moss Street Mercantile. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. The three of Cups Club is over there. It's a really cool studio. And I

Chris: 41:49

see the sign for three of clubs, three of cups, and I'm like, where is this

Christian: 41:55

building? Yeah, it's what do they do? They do, they create pottery and art and then they do some yoga classes there. Pass. Okay. They're very, there's three or four of'em in there now. They're very talented, like, but they're also very smart. Business savvy. Yeah. Individuals and so, They're, that's a perfect example of a group that came into a property and, and they turned their space into something I could have never done, but Right. I knew, I knew I wanted to have them there. So when we finally connected, I was stoked and it worked out well. So That's awesome. Yeah.

Chris: 42:29

Thank you for explaining where Country Station was, cuz every time I drive. Like, I see your post, and I'm like, oh, this is a really cool location. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know where

Christian: 42:38

that is. Yeah. Once you see it, it's like, oh, I fucking drive by the thing every day. Yes. Right. But if you take like Queen Street, well, I always cut through queen past Coworks Cross 17th, and I take the little cut through. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then you drive right by, it's on the left, and then you come up to Wrightsville and that's where drinks is on the left too. So it's like the secret little cut through.

Chris: 42:57

Yeah. I've taken that a few times. It's 19th Street is the one I have to turn off on because it's between like a bunch of cute little

Christian: 43:05

houses. Oh yeah, yeah. And there's some guy that lives there on the corner is like collects trash. He's got like four trailers and like a thousand washing machines. It's nice. Oh wow. He's gotta go now. There you go. Hey, so

Chris: 43:17

going with the cargo theme.

Christian: 43:19

There you go. Right?

Chris: 43:21

Yeah. So can you tell us what your next venture is gonna be?

Christian: 43:27

Next venture is I'm still continuing to help people buy and sell real estate. So always looking for individuals to help with that. And looking for more property around here to help kind of develop And I'm kind of just along for the ride with, you know, Leslie does. So he's like the visionary for the neighborhood. Yeah. So I love to support him and, and help, you know, he can, he can think of it and build it and then I can help fill it and get it profitable. But I've got some new construction stuff I'm working on developing two pieces of land off Wrightsville Ave that will be kind of releasing those hopefully in the next two or three months. Mm-hmm. So, and then I'm just trying to like, you know, enjoy my life as it's getting shorter every day. Just spending time with my family and my, and my daughters kind of, I'm trying to make my career veer that way. Mm-hmm. As much as possible. So, So

Chris: 44:18

that leads into my question. Okay. Which I always didn't bring up near the end. What does success look like for you?

Christian: 44:25

Success for me is being able to do whatever I want to, whenever I want without having to ask for permission or spend two months planning for it or anything like that. You know, if we have the opportunity to, to go somewhere for a weekend or a month or something like that. I think having your life. Situated so you can operate in that manner. To me is, is success. If you've got it dialed in like that and you've got the people, it's support and systems to allow you to maneuver, then you're not chained to a desk, you know? Yeah, yeah. Working for the man. Exactly. I love it. So, yeah, I love that. So

Tyler: 45:05

Chris is trying to open a bottle shop, so if you have any pieces of real, real estate that. Okay.

Chris: 45:11

Or just help me figure out how to open one.

Christian: 45:14

Where do you wanna do it? I have a lot of ideas. Soda Pop

Tyler: 45:17

District would be

Chris: 45:19

perfect. Well, I said soda pop because it's just the name. Soda Pop bottle shop. Yeah. Works.

Christian: 45:25

Works well together. Soda

Chris: 45:27

pop, pop shop. Yeah. But I looked, castle Hayne doesn't have anything, but the question is like, There's one in W Whitesboro. Yeah. Which is like right off the strip, but technically W Whitesboro is a good five to 10 minute drive from true Castle Hayne. Yeah. So my brain is always like, Ooh, what can I do? But the problem is getting in before the explosion of the location. And the question is, when will it

Christian: 45:52

explode? That's like the last frontier. Yeah. Gasoline is like, that's it, man. And it used to be like the boonies and now it's, mm-hmm. It's happening. It's slowly

Chris: 46:01

like, Creeping in, like the tendrils are expanding out

Tyler: 46:04

that way. Where else are you gonna buy land that close to

Christian: 46:06

Wilmington? Totally. Yeah. I mean, it's like a five minute Uber from downtown, from like front street. Yeah. So, but we'll talk, man. I'm happy to help you out. Yeah. Find

Chris: 46:15

a good spot. Scotts Hill's another good spot, but it's Scotts Hill. There's,

Christian: 46:20

yeah. What part of town do you guys live in? Not specific addresses here. Oh, we have some stalkers listening, but

Tyler: 46:26

I'm in Leland. Yes. Okay. So yeah, so I'm over the bridge.

Christian: 46:29

Gotcha. Is there a shop out there? Bottle shot. Yeah. Mm-hmm. There you go. You should put one out there too. Brunswick County is like one of the fastest growing counties in the country. Yes. So now you have everything working in your favor right there. Yes.

Chris: 46:40

I just hate going over the, the river. Yeah. I'm one of those

Tyler: 46:43

people. It's not bad anymore. As soon as they put one 40 in, it's easy. I go over every single day. Mlk. Yeah. Yeah. Easy breezy. I, I take that any day of the week. As op, cuz I primarily work in Mayfair. Mm-hmm. So I'll take that any day of the week as opposed to coming from Monkey Junction where I used to live, driving into

Christian: 47:02

Mayfair. I agree with you man. Cause at least you can fucking smoke. Exactly. Versus like stop and go the whole way. And having, trying to like, yeah. Yeah. And try and getting stuff behind a bus.

Chris: 47:11

Oh, I live in Castle Lion. Okay. There you go. I told my wife the week we moved, actually, like the week before, I'm like, Hey, I'm finding a local bar. And I tried a spot and I was like, Hmm, maybe not, I, I don't feel comfortable here.

Christian: 47:28

Maybe this is your opportunity. Just if, if there's not one there, create

Chris: 47:32

one. That's, that's been my thought process. Yeah. But then my paycheck, this studio happened. Yeah, my paycheck looked real nice at my current job and I'm like, do I really wanna leave that? So that's why it's around. It's just good to the Starling all the time.

Christian: 47:43

Yeah. Well, makes it easy. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. So we do have one last question for you before we let you go today. Okay, thank you. If you

Tyler: 47:51

were to tell your younger self one

Christian: 47:54

thing, what would it be? I would tell myself that the best is yet to come. Yeah, I think, I think you know, we all. Worry about some of the smallest stuff. Mm-hmm. And I think looking back, some of the biggest problems are just like such an afterthought now that it's the years in the past. But yeah, man, the best is yet to come. That's great. That's unique too. We haven't had that one yet. A hundred percent Good. I

Chris: 48:15

love that. Yeah. And I'm gonna ask my last question because it's the month of May. Okay. What's your favorite burger joint in Wilmington?

Christian: 48:24

Oh man. I. The one at B Street is pretty righteous. I'll say that. Okay. Yeah. I had that one the first time

Tyler: 48:31

the other

Christian: 48:31

day. It's a fucking monster. Mm-hmm. But I think Sam at the Mess Hall, man, he like, he changed the game. Win's was cool. Everyone like gets stoked on Winnie's. And I heard someone on your podcast say the one at Yossi, which is actually the heater too. But Sam's got it going on, like, yeah. Mess Hallberg. You just gotta clear your schedule for the rest of the day after. Right. You gotta go comatose after that. But yeah, that's

Chris: 48:52

a fact. Yeah. I love their new location. It's right by drinks also.

Christian: 48:58

Yeah. I'm that St.

Tyler: 48:58

Mary over there. So when you go to mess Hall, make sure you check out drinks and then go walk by the camp Street

Christian: 49:04

station.

Chris: 49:05

Yes. There you go. We'll have Sam on here eventually. Yeah. We

Christian: 49:08

definitely need to bring Sam on. I imagine he would be a trip. Yeah, he's a wild guy. I

Chris: 49:13

haven't, I haven't tried to invite him because of all of the labors that they've put in getting this new shop open. Yeah, you've been busy. Busy. Yeah. But that's kind of what this is leading to is to do like a month of just like people who own burger shops. I'm pretty

Tyler: 49:27

sure Chris is trying to have a monthlong with Burger shop owners. So you're a

Christian: 49:30

smart guy. Like, come on in, bring your burgers. We'll eat and we'll talk about it. Yeah. It's like whiskey wisdom and burgers. There you go. Yes, for the episode. Wagyu. There you go.

Chris: 49:38

There you go. Final Steak Shop one of these days. But thank you for coming on. Yeah, thank you man. It's great. Do you want people to follow you on social media? Like where would be the best to like shout out your businesses?

Christian: 49:49

I'm not sure it's at Aloha Wilmington Real Estate. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Is our property management company. We just do a commercial property management. And then the Christian Cardone team, I think it's some or team Christian Cardamone is the real estate sale. Okay. So if you buy a house or seller house. And then my personal one is Captain Cardamone. Yeah. I just wanna see the weird shit that I do every once in a while. I'm not, I'm not like huge on social media, but You know, if you wanna go All the fun stuff. Yeah. If you look at some stupid pictures of me playing in my band or something like that. Right. Aye

Chris: 50:17

captain, wait, what's your band?

Christian: 50:19

The band is the Flanner Rebellion. Oh, okay. It's the grunge cover band. Yeah. Okay. So it's we've been playing together for like, 12, 13 years now. Wow. Bunch of old guys. We just still try and rock as best we can. We're gonna get put out to pasture soon, but not yet. Yeah, you got plenty of time. Yeah. You've got

Tyler: 50:35

plenty of time. I mean, you still have Those bands that are what, turn 60, 70 years old and they're still out there rocking. You got plenty of time.

Christian: 50:42

I always said I'm never gonna be like a 40 year old guy on stage. That's like embarrassing. Now I'm like, you know, almost 44. Like, fucking let's do it. Yeah. So that's awesome. Yes, it's

Chris: 50:51

fun. Where are you guys playing in

Christian: 50:52

June? June We, so Memorial Day is May, is that this month? Yeah, yeah, it's this month. Playing at the Sea Witch at Carolina Beach. Okay. Oh heck yeah. Play there. Actually I'll probably see you there. Play there, I think on the Saturday Memorial Day weekend. Mm-hmm. We just play like every four to six weeks, so we don't kind of, cuz we're like the cover band, so you don't want to get bored of seeing the same thing. I think Seven Mile Post in June. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. We kind of just play like see which Seven Mile post couple places. Like, that's my side of town. Okay. Yeah. Seven Mile, I'll let you know. Okay. Yeah, right on about seven miles with my clients. Oh, nice. Yep. Very cool.

Chris: 51:29

Anyways. Thank you for coming on. I learned so

Christian: 51:31

much. Thank you guys for having us. Definitely have a good time on times.

Chris: 51:35

But yeah, check'em out. Follow'em, like, comment, share subscribe. Yes. And my favorite thing is to leave a really good five star review. But if you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say nothing at all. Agreed. As per my mama who will be on here at some point in time.

Christian: 51:50

Right on. All right fellas. Thanks so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Cheer. Cheers.

Chris: 51:54

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers.