This is Why You Need a Coach, Reggie Shropshire (Part 2)

This week we bring Reggie Shropshire (Coach Reggie) back onto the podcast. We dive deeper into why, no matter what you're going through, you should hire a coach, therapist and trainer. Reggie also tells us some stories about Chris and how they established their relationship.

There is also a great offer that Reggie extends to all of the listeners that own their own business at the end. I will be attending the offer as well so be sure to ask for details.

Visit Coach Reggie's Business Growers Website HERE

Transcript

Chris: 0:31

Happy New Year and welcome back to the podcast. You have myself, Chris Kellum and the constant co-host, or am I the co-host? I think we're both co-hosts.

Reggie: 0:43

Oh, okay. Yeah. There's no one of, no,

Also Reggie: 0:45

no one above the other in this

Reggie: 0:46

game.

Chris: 0:49

Tyler, y'all. And to start the year, like we said, we would end it on a good note. Mm-hmm. We have coach Reggie AK pops back on the podcast. And because I mean, I think this extra

Reggie: 1:04

Nho Nho,

Chris: 1:06

it's because there's an a at the front. That's what's Okay. Nho, NHO, NHO, NHO. We're still drinking on the Aion

Reggie: 1:18

Let's just go for it. Yeah. Yeah. So we're halfway into the bottle. Yes. Right, right now. So yeah. We're not starting off start, we're already warmed up. Yeah, exactly. From the inside out. There you go. I think that's

Chris: 1:28

how you just start your year. Like people who start through

Reggie: 1:30

halfway through the bottle. I mean,

Chris: 1:34

I think you just, I don't think you should stop the people who are like, oh, on January 1st I'm gonna start this, this, and this. I'm like, those are the people who tend to fail. Mm-hmm. those goals. It's more, Hey, how did you end the year? Keep that momentum and just keep it rolling into the next year. And that's what we're trying to do here is keep that momentum. And

Reggie: 1:55

since you brought that up and we're already talking about coaching. Yeah. I'm gonna bring up two things real quick. Yeah. About the coach that I actually have. Yeah. Yeah. And kind of what Chris was saying, we do our 2023 planning in October. mm-hmm. So we can figure out what we plan on doing and the standards that need to be put in place to reach those 2023 goals. And we start those in October and November. Mm-hmm. so we can continue the momentum going into January. There we go. So it, it keeps you up, keeps you going. And part of that too is the, one of the large things that we focus on is do not let the seduction of success stop you. That's right. And that was one thing that kind of got ahold of me is I, when I was in high school, I had this dream of like, I wanted this type of house, wanted this type of car, I wanted this wife and kids. And Yeah, I hit that. Yeah. And I was like, oh, this is great. And I stopped and just kind. kept on ke keeping on what I was doing, and I had never, never really took the foot off the pedal in my whole life. And it just, it didn't feel right to me. It felt like I was losing purpose and kind of needed to jump back on that train so that this is where this coach has really made a big difference in my life. Yeah. Yeah. I had something similar happen to me.

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I had as we had talked about, you know, had, had a you know, struggle point, a low point mm-hmm. Hmm. really lowest point I'd ever been, you know, as an adult, you know? Yeah. Financially and, and really so had faced kind of business and personal financial devastation probably wouldn't be

Reggie: 3:28

a overstatement. So it was tough. And so I climbed out

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of that and I got to a certain point to where I'd, you know, somewhat recovered both business and, and personal and was in a pretty good place. And my

Reggie: 3:38

coach picked up on the fan. And that's what the, a great thing about a good coach

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is they can see things. That you can't see for yourself.

Reggie: 3:46

Mm-hmm. So if there's a case for coaching, it's somebody that, you know, has experience

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and can just eyeball and see, make behaviors and listen to what you're saying and how you're saying what you're languaging and your and your behavior. Make observations you just can't see for

Reggie: 3:59

yourself. So

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he said, and I was behaving in a way, he picked up on something and, and he said, Reggie, he said you

Reggie: 4:08

have you

Also Reggie: 4:09

are you living the life that you said you would live? Hmm. No. Well, have you built the, built the business you said you would build? No. Right. Quit acting like it. And so he had picked up the fact that I was acting like I had arrived. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But, and I had arrived to a, you know, a, a strong, you know, a strong level. And I had grown a lot and developed a lot. Was, was killing on a strong momentum path. Right. But he could see some behavior that I was starting to take off the gas mm-hmm. and that I had that he knew I wanted more for life, more from life and more for my business. And, but I was behaving in contrary for that. So he was great to bring that to my, my attention. And so, you know, I've been taught over the years that, and I've seen it so many times in myself and with my clients, is once you're there, you're always, there's always another there. Yep. Mm-hmm. you know, cuz people ask me like, how long does a coaching relationship, how long does this, how long does

Reggie: 5:11

this coaching program last? I was like, it lasts as long as it makes sense. But when it stops making sense, we're gonna know. Right? But it goes as long as it makes sense. I mean, you can, you know, gimme 30 day notice and we'll stop. Like there's no

Also Reggie: 5:21

contract, there's no anything. Mm-hmm. like when you're, we're done, we're done. I don't wanna be tied to you when you don't wanna be some sort of contract or something if you're not, you know, I don't be stuck with you when you're wanting to plateau or just kind of hang out and tread water. Right. I don't want that anymore than you want to probably be, you know, engaging and have me be paying me and have to deal with me when you're plateaued. So, we'll stop whenever you're where you want to be for or when, when you want to cry, uncle. But the but what we,

Reggie: 5:45

we've learned

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is that the you know, when you're there,

Reggie: 5:49

Once you get there, there's always another there. Mm-hmm. Yep. More times than not. And then when you've got to where you want to get, and that's not uncommon that I've worked for people to help'em get with where they want to go. Or

Also Reggie: 5:58

they've gone as far as they want. So you know, and salute and you know, we you know, kind of park company, but the or, but more times than not, it's not really where they wanted to go. It's, they don't want to do the tough stuff. Mm-hmm. It starts to get too hard. Yeah. And it starts to be too much to make. They've ma they'll make the kind of change to get comfortable and they'll make the kind of change. They want to be fat and happy. Right. It's the syndrome of fat and happy. And so, you know, I, I see a lot of my relationships tail with my clients tail off at the point at where they go,

Reggie: 6:36

you know

Also Reggie: 6:36

what? And, and this is how it happens. I want to take a break from coaching for a little bit. I wanna take a break. And I said, well, you know what? There's no such thing as breaks in coaching. I've done this too long. You don't take it. Right.

Reggie: 6:48

Right. What you said is, what you're saying is I just need to catch my breath

Also Reggie: 6:51

for a while. And that's what they're saying. And they'll go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we're good. Well, when it

Reggie: 6:55

makes sense, you come back, oh no, I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna come back in three months. more times than not 80% of the time, they don't come back in three months. No. And they don't come back. And

Also Reggie: 7:02

most of the time they don't come back at all. Yeah.

Reggie: 7:05

Because they're not even willing

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to, they don't even, they're either not aware or willing to be honest enough with their self to say, I don't want to do what it takes to become what I need to become, to operate the next level. Mm-hmm. And you know, you can tell'em to the contrary. So, and challenge'em on that and, and then they, and they'll often deny it or fighting a little bit. Yeah. But. all the evidence shows in the future, that's what they were. And sometimes they'll come, come back to me a couple years later and they'll go, you know, you were right. Right. it was as far as I was willing to go. I had all I wanted, ha ha had all, I had more than I ever dreamed of. And or all I was willing to do the work out. They had dreams of much bigger things. Mm-hmm. but doing that work and they had more than they've ever had in their life. But, you know, they often fall short of their goals, dreams and aspirations. But

Reggie: 7:55

you know, if they get to a place where they're happy and and ready to move on to something else, then yeah. So be it. But that happens a lot. So that's that trap of what I call the

Also Reggie: 8:02

trap of fat and happy. Yeah. And when you're fat and happy, you know, when you I've got one guy that I worked with for a while that wanted to build up, he was dead set on building a$10 million business. And I started working with him. He had an eight,$900,000 business. Mm-hmm. And he wasn't making a profit. So he really had a very he was making a very menial on paper profit, like a right p and l

Reggie: 8:25

gross profit loss, gross profit, but, or, or net profit rather. It was pretty minimal when he

Also Reggie: 8:29

was so it was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of eight, 9% eight, 9% net profit on a PN l does not equal that much in cash. In the more he

Reggie: 8:37

grew, the more issues he had. So

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he and, and having

Reggie: 8:41

all kinds of issues and he had cash flow issues, he's getting paid too late.

Also Reggie: 8:43

So the more he sold the broker he got mm-hmm.

Reggie: 8:45

he was kind of on the, and anyway, so we. Fix some things. Really got focused and by the way, but there's some good things happen in his business. All he was only in business for a few years. All his

Also Reggie: 8:54

business was on referral. Wow. Yeah. And he

Reggie: 8:57

was really gifted to what he did. So he was doing a lot of things Right. But you just wouldn't make any money, so something wasn't right. So we found out what wasn't right. We fixed the money. Cuz if you're, I don't know if you're doing a, you know, close to a million dollars in sales and you're not making money, something's wrong. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, and we figured out what that was and we fixed those things and then started to increase revenue and then we had some team issues started to fix anyway, blah, blah, blah. So, and he was a, a very, he was on a fast track, he was a

Also Reggie: 9:19

very ambitious smart driven guy. Mm-hmm. and fast forward three years later, he's knocking

Reggie: 9:27

out about 4 million in sales and 20% net. Wow. Okay. So by the way, it's through the math. Yeah. He made$800,000 that year. Yeah. Right. So, That was life

Also Reggie: 9:37

changing money to somebody who, you know that, and that was a quick trajectory. And he did a lot of things right. And he was very aggressive and, and he engaged me at a real high level. I had not just worked with him, I worked with his team and we did a lot of things really, really quick. Yeah. And, but he wanted to bond this$10 million business, wanted this$10 million business we're driving for. Well,

Reggie: 9:55

he reached a point to

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where he, that$10 million kind of we were doing a strategic planning session with his team and it was kind of brought up, like it was a joke, like amongst his wife, kind of got involved in the business and then, and, and then one of his key team members and, you know, they kind of had, there, there was a couple of jokes thrown out there about him and this$10 million business he wants to build. And it was kind of thrown out

Reggie: 10:19

there as a joke. As a joke. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I was like, wait a second. This is what we're driving for. This seems like a punchline. Yeah. And well, About

Also Reggie: 10:31

a couple weeks later, he needed to meet, you know, and it was one of those, I'm, this is a time where I was meeting, you know, most everybody on Zoom, and he this was post pandemic, so everybody was on Zoom and he's like, oh, we need to meet face to face. All, all right,

Reggie: 10:44

what's up? Yeah. And then he said, Hey, it's

Also Reggie: 10:46

time. And he said, you've done great things changed my life, you know? I can't measure the change that you've created in me and my business and for my team. And, you know, I love you. My team loves you. Wouldn't be wearing at you, but it's time. Like it's, and I was like, well, what happened

Reggie: 11:00

to the, you know, I thought something was up because

Also Reggie: 11:02

this$10 million punchline thing was an issue. And he said, it's he said, man, that's what I wanted, but I'm here and life's good. And and, and, and I'm making all the money I need. And, and it doesn't make, it doesn't make a sense to continue to engage me or coaches when the when you're gonna plateau, you don't have a coach to plateau. Yeah. Or for maintenance's, both. You, you wanna have a coach to, you can have a mentor to plateau. Sure. Yeah.

Reggie: 11:33

Yeah. You have somebody you talk to casually. But if you're gonna grow, if coaches are really to push you to

Also Reggie: 11:37

grow, right. Wise, have somebody yell, spitting in your face. Right. If you're not wanting to grow and develop and do I have a trainer? You know, why, why does Rocky have Mickey? Right? Yeah. I'll fucking still use Rocky analogy.

Reggie: 11:46

Oh yeah. But the it's like, oh, rock, you know the you know, I need all that. If you're just trying to plateau you

Also Reggie: 11:51

have people that tell you what you want to hear and tell you how great you are. That's the

Reggie: 11:55

story. Apollo Creed, right? Mm-hmm. Apollo Creed, like he was plateaued. Yep. Because he had up

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people going around and say, Hey champ, you're the best. You're the best. You're all right. You're the best. You're good, you're good. You, you got people doing that to you. Mm-hmm. you know, that's just hanging on to what you got and just trying to, you know, trying to hang on to the title. So the,

Reggie: 12:11

So he but that's the, you know, the curse of the fat and hat and I'll say the curse. I mean, it's great man. He's where he wants to be, but sometimes people get there. Yeah. And they're like, you know what, this is a pretty good place. I'm all right man. 10 million. This is tough enough as it is a four or 5 million worth of business,

Also Reggie: 12:27

you know, running through the company and this many employees and, and it's just not easy and simple

Reggie: 12:32

and think, I'm just gonna hang out here.

Also Reggie: 12:34

Yeah. And, you know, see what happens next. So anyway, the curse of the fat and happy,

Reggie: 12:39

I appreciate that. It's kind of,

Chris: 12:42

it's kind of crazy to think cuz you, you're talking about like business standards. Mm-hmm. and I think that kind of pushes towards normal American mentality also. Because there's so many people who go and they get a job and they're like, oh, this is, I need to make this much money, or, this is the job I should have getting outta college. Cool. I'm good. And they just ride the, the groundhog Day until they realize they're dead. Mm-hmm. And I feel like this conversation is the thing that will help push me through the next year, because I've hit a point where I've made at work, I've sold more than I ever expected to sell. Mm-hmm. And that's just one of those mentalities because pretty much living with you and being around you. Mm-hmm. and Tyler, just good vibes, like people who just bring you up, forces you to catch up. And I hit a point where it's like, oh, I may, I'm, I'm doing good. And then like, doing good isn't enough sometimes. And I'm like, you guys are helping me push through that, that fat and happy phase. And I'm like, let's just, let's go to the next level. What? And trying to figure out what, who can I reach out to, to help either mentor or coach to the next thing to kind of just grow myself. And I know we talk about coaching mm-hmm. and I feel like a mental coach. You've picked up somebody. Mm-hmm. That's not a mental coach. You, you're, you shifted to therapy. Right. Okay. Yeah. See, I, I know get the

Reggie: 14:18

word right. One of these days. Yeah. My mindset, my mindset. Coach. There you go. There's somebody that's well

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renowned in my industry, or one of the leaders, leader in one of the organizations I'm part of. He'll say, yeah, well, my mindset coach

Reggie: 14:31

you mean your therapist? So let me come back to that the, the therapy piece. because you're right, I've ev I've integrated therapy in life to be able

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to back, back, back to what we talked about in the last in part one, which was being able to

Reggie: 14:44

accelerate growth. Mm-hmm. of the

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mindset piece or the B side of things back to B do have, right? Yeah. So if you're gonna grow the B,

Reggie: 14:52

Either, and what typically happens is your growth and your b at a certain part kind of drags you behind,

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and when it becomes an issue, you start to kind of work on your bee and quit it, and, and it, it becomes less of a boat anchor. Well, what if, and this would be a great analogy if I could, you could see my hand, so my hands are down below my other hand, like emulating a boat anchor. Yeah. That's dragging you down. Well what if, and now my hand's moving up and simulating a helium balloon. Right?

Reggie: 15:19

So what if your.

Also Reggie: 15:21

your B could pull you along. What if your mindset, what if the belief system, your value system and your environment could pull you forward as opposed to drag you down as it does with somebody, somebody else. So the you know, when you talk about the typical American life

Reggie: 15:36

is let's stop growing and developing. We only

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grow and develop as a culture by and large when we. put through the crucible of growing up, right? Mm-hmm. going through school and all those things that we're part of growing up or trying to accomplish a major goal. Or maybe we're really involved in an athletic thing or really

Reggie: 15:54

driven by something. But in most cases, that's pretty isolated

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to certain areas in life. And once you get to a certain age then

Reggie: 16:00

you get what you need. Yeah. And you just quit growing and developing and learning. And a lot of that's environmental as well. If you become, you know, if you're the best salesperson where, where you're at. Yeah. Like, say you're the top performer at your store. Well, if you have a mediocre store, right. If you have a,

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a store full of mediocre performers, that is, that makes you feel good and look good. But is that

Reggie: 16:25

the best you, you can be? Is that the best? So life is not

Also Reggie: 16:29

just being better than everybody else around you or your peer group or, or whatever, right. Or

Reggie: 16:36

even. if you're in the middle of the pack. Mm-hmm. But if that's the best

Also Reggie: 16:41

you, you can be, if that's maxi, the key in life is not, you know, it's all about maximizing your full potential. Mm-hmm. So being able to maximize your full potential and be the best version of you you can be. And if your environment's mediocre then you've gotta work, especially hard to have high performers in your life, coaches, mentors that that can see and, and are clear that you know what, you can be a whole lot better than you are. And I, I'll be glad the guide met you

Reggie: 17:07

and Great. It's also great to have an honest coach to say, you know what? You are really out kicking your coverage here. Like you're doing really well. Like, you know, you see some guys with that, with their, like, you see some mediocre guy with a, you know, like a gorgeous woman. You're like mm-hmm. bruh, you are, you, you have out kicked your coverage man. You have done well. Keep doing what you're doing, right? But don't mess this up because this is the best you're going to do. Mm-hmm. because she's gorgeous and she's a wonderful person and she's this and this and that. So don't mess this up. Right. It's not better on the other side. No. So consider yourself lucky. So the and it's the same thing in, you know, so you may be that and you're, you're like, you may just doing the best you can be,

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but if you're not, you know, heaven forbid if, and probably one of the greatest,

Reggie: 17:53

You know,

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probably tragedies in life is living life that is far shorter. Your potential knowing you could have done more mm-hmm. but you just chose not

Reggie: 18:01

to. And so many people do that. There's a great Ted talk. Mm-hmm. I

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encourage you to, and there's a line within that, but the TED talk is by Trav Bell. And Trav Bell is the bucket list guy.

Reggie: 18:13

If I had to watch that, Chris, the bucket list guy, no. All right. So y'all's homework, everybody on the podcast, I want you to do one thing that'll

Also Reggie: 18:19

do some magical things for your life that'll challenge yourself and you know, get you fired up and give you some fire in your belly. Watch Trav Bell's. Ted Talk called he's the bucket list guy. So just Google, Ted talk, Trav Bell, the bucket list

Reggie: 18:32

guy. Mm-hmm. Life's too, way too short.

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Too you know, to, to life's Too short not to have a bucket list

Reggie: 18:37

or something. Mm-hmm. But one of the lines in there is so many people are dying

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at 40 and being buried at 70 and 80.

Reggie: 18:47

And they just kinda get to that certain place and they get those certain things in life and they just start living life by default and just kinda get by and they quit growing, you know, driving and developing. So I've just been super fortunate to have people like that and I'm part of an organization that puts people like that in my life

Also Reggie: 19:01

that continue to challenge, push, develop, and grow me so that I'm not you know, and I just, and it's part of, part of a environment Yeah. To where being static and just staying where you're at is just, it's not okay. Right. That you know, and by it's just a default world of growth and development,

Reggie: 19:17

so pretty cool to be part

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of that world and you know, to have that kind of environment. It's, it's definitely different than you know, the typical American culture. Yeah. And so many Western cultures for that matter. So, so

Chris: 19:29

you, so I'm assuming you suggest.

Reggie: 19:34

Therapy. Yeah. Oh, wait, circle back around. Thanks, I'm not great at that to start with, but No, no, no. But, but you know, a few steps at tequila down the road it's like, yeah, thanks

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Chris for redirecting me and taking me back on the road.

Reggie: 19:44

So, yeah, no, it, no. And as part of being in that world I had you know, a pretty strong trainer teacher mm-hmm. that eventually became my coach. But he advised me at one point, he said, you know, one of the things, you know, he was, he's very specific, by the way. He's a high performer

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and a high level coach. And, you know, like we were talking about earlier where, you know, he's, he's very clear

Reggie: 20:02

about the, the

Also Reggie: 20:03

people he brings on mm-hmm. and the standards in which he creates. So he says, look, I don't bring somebody on unless they're doing at least$5 million per annum. They, you know, they gotta do$5 million for revenue per annum. They don't do that. I don't bring'em on. Right. He said they also must be willing to they also must be willing to wanting to sell the business in the next three to five years. because once you get to kind of like 5 million in sales, you start making plenty of money. Five, 5 million, 10 million in sales. And that's, you know, tons of reason for fat and happy, right? Yeah. Yep. And if they already have a successful business and

Reggie: 21:00

they're doing that, then that's pretty good money. So they gotta have a reason to, for

Also Reggie: 21:04

work with him. They gotta have a reason to exit. Mm-hmm. and, and maximize value. Cuz that's really what he's, he is, he's the transition guy. He's, he's the transition coach. He wants to transition you out of your existing business, grow it,

Reggie: 21:14

sell it, and then move on. Right? So he's like, all right, so gotta be willing to sell. So we

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gotta have something to drive for. Mm-hmm. not just, you know, set on your piles of golf, Uhhuh,

Reggie: 21:22

and then they also need to

Also Reggie: 21:24

You have to have a personal trainer. Yep. I don't, I don't, he has, I don't work with anybody with a personal trainer.

Reggie: 21:29

You also have to have a psychotherapist.

Also Reggie: 21:32

He, he's British, so he calls him, they call him psychotherapist,

Reggie: 21:34

right? Yeah. And I was like, oh, interesting. And and so he mentioned that And I was like, and I was wondering why is that? And he said one of the reasons why is because as coaches, you guys like to play therapists and you aren't

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professionally trained.

Reggie: 21:46

You're not trained on how to be therapists. So I was like, oh yeah, I found myself like playing a therapist. Some like the therapist light. Yeah. Right. In some cases for especially people I've worked with, I'm much more of a strategist and tactician when I first start working with people. Yeah.

Also Reggie: 22:01

But the but the, but over

Reggie: 22:03

time, once the kind of, you

Also Reggie: 22:05

know, you start to get some basic tactics and strategy mm-hmm. and, and get some framework in place and then it

Reggie: 22:10

becomes after you work, I've worked with somebody, I've, my longest client's been with me. I've had a client that was with me for 14 years. I've one currently that's with me for 12, 11, 12 years. Wow. So a long time. So I've had, you know, long term relationships with a handful of my business owners. The you know, it's that hole when there's, you're there, there's another there kind of thing. Mm-hmm. and you know, most client relationships

Also Reggie: 22:28

don't last that long, but I got

Reggie: 22:29

a couple that have. And the guy that's been with, after a while, you're down to a fireside chat and you start to do John dip into some therapy stuff because they've gotten all the easy stuff out of the way. All the easy stuff you can do is outta the way. Mm-hmm. now

Also Reggie: 22:43

the mindset and the B is what we've done all the do stuff. And now that, that mindset

Reggie: 22:49

is what's holding him back, right? It starts to show up and you can avoid some certain things for a while, but sooner

Also Reggie: 22:53

or load the things are gonna be, become boat anchors for you in,

Reggie: 22:56

Constraints. So, and I was like, huh? I was like, I found myself playing a therapist a little bit. And that's, you could tell his mindset is what's dragging him back. Hmm. Oh, by the way, there's a lot of high performing, almost all the high performing athletes that I have that are really, that I, I have, that

Also Reggie: 23:11

I that I know that I see Olympic athletes, high performers, they

Reggie: 23:15

have sports

Also Reggie: 23:16

psychologists and mm-hmm. mindset coaches. And most major colleges have

Reggie: 23:22

sports performance mindsets, you know, psychologists and therapists. Let me give, I, let me give that a try. Yeah. So, and I'd always, to a certain degree, I've never had a therapist in my life because I

Also Reggie: 23:34

always thought therapy was for folks that was dysfunctional at life. Mm-hmm. and I didn't have any of those dysfunctional issues in life that most people you better go to therapy for. I was never

Reggie: 23:43

told, you need to go to therapy. Right. Never had any disorders and not anything

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wrong with people that do that, but I just, that was my

Reggie: 23:48

conception. It was for folks that were dysfunctional in certain areas of life. So I was like, huh, let me give us a try. So I started looking up, I was like, you know, let

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me find a, you know, God, I need a sports psychologist. Think something for a coach, you know? Mm-hmm. there's a lot of coach theme in what I do. And then, you know, parallel. So I was looking for a sports performance therapist, or, and then I

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ran across a therapist that specialized in,

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Overwhelm entrepreneurs and over-committed executives, and was like, huh, this sounds like my girl. Yeah. Yeah. I called her up and called up her office and they said,

Reggie: 24:19

She well, she doesn't accept insurance, which is the first like screening call was like, yeah, right.

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Oh, right. Which means generally if you don't accept insurance, that means

Reggie: 24:28

you don't have to mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. because

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insurance paying the tail and a lot of work. Yeah. They

Reggie: 24:32

take a cut and all that kind of stuff. So that means she's probably pretty good if she doesn't have to take insurance. Right? Yeah. And then she says, oh yeah. And I was like, Hmm, this sounds like this could be my girl. And then she said oh, and also she's she's booked out for about six

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weeks. Mm-hmm. like, oh, this really sounds like my girl, right?

Reggie: 24:51

And so I was like, okay, well, she's like, but I can put you on the waiting list. I was like, okay, yeah, put me on the waiting list. And I said yeah, yeah. I started probing a little

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bit, trying to figure out how I can accelerate my way up the waiting list. And anyway, and, and she she said, you know, I've got somebody that was thinking about canceling and they were gonna cancel tomorrow with a fee, but I told'em that it's gonna have the fee

Reggie: 25:14

so, Oh, I after that Anna, he went ahead and accepted the appointment. I said,

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oh, hey, let her know I'll take a

Reggie: 25:22

spot, you think you make that happen? She's

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like, you're wanting me, you know, the receptionist

25:26

I'm

Reggie: 25:27

dealing with. She said, you're wanting me to talk somebody outta therapy, I said, you know, yeah, well do what you gotta do. You know, if you can, if you can pull it off, you know, it'd be great and I'll take care of you the you know, so she responded like she wasn't a maitre d you know, wanting to, you know,

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I couldn't grease the the gatekeeper at the at the therapy office.

Reggie: 25:45

So anyway, but she called back. She good newsy, you know, gave you the appointment. So I got him with her and she was great first. Unlocked some, and by the way, I was there for business performance issues. Yeah. She tapped into something that was a business issue and she was able to make clear that

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that was a mommy and daddy issue. Yeah.

Reggie: 26:01

It was, it was the most amazing thing. Like, and it, and I profited from it. Like that day had to do with my pricing by the way. Just, it's like what I was charging folks and I had that, I had a client I was with for 14 years. Guess what I charge? by the way, her, her business had grown

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exponentially. Her business had grown from a$60,000 a year business in revenue. Yeah. Mm-hmm. About that time she was doing close to a million dollars. Wow. Guess what I

Reggie: 26:22

charge? Guess what? I charge her. Oh, yeah. I charge the same thing. Yeah. And so, yep. Charge the same thing. You know, I brought on you clients and raised my fiat, but she was, and she

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knew, like she had the deal. She had the, I

Reggie: 26:34

caught Coach Reggie early deal, Very, and I could justify it with man, I could, I could justify it with, you know, she sent me some referrals and she's a great case study. I got all kinds of cons, mental constraints on and, and justifications and head trash on why I need to keep charge with that same thing. And so it was mommy and daddy. You know, it was the need for recognition, achievement and, you know, trying to get my parents approval and blah, blah, blah. It was mommy, daddy. So the so I rectified that really quick. I was like, Hey.

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I was like, I gotta, you know, and I by the way, I,

Reggie: 27:05

I more than tripled her fee at that point, cuz it was, it had sense. So I tripled the, it more than tripled the fee. And then, and then I, you know, I said, you know what, your business's grown big enough to where probably do some teamwork. And so she bought this team add-on. So, and then, so she had decided voluntarily to invest another, you know,

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probably 40, you know, 30, 40% on top of the fee for

Reggie: 27:24

a, you know, more premium service. Right. So oh yeah, no, she was willing to spend the money. I was just, didn't have had the mindset block and just, I don't, and had very good justifications. They were good. Yeah. Solid justifications on cuz I valued the relationship, you know, and I still did. But you know, her business has grown dramatically and and it's funny, my so over time, So this was a before, you know, how to be a better coach, how to be a

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better business person, and how to grow my business and how to make more

Reggie: 27:51

money. And then every now and then I start throwing in stuff like you know, I don't know. My daughter's got, I got this issue with my daughter at the

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time. My daughter's like 17, 18

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years old, so, mm-hmm. And Chris, as you know the Sarah, my oldest daughter is she's the oldest daughter, very independent and strong-willed. She has the hardheadedness of both me and my wife without the wisdom. Right. And also on the financial umbilical cord So it's amazing how that you know, so she thought she knew it all. Yeah. Especially at that age. And I think God does something special with kids at a certain age, especially, you know, you get to be 17, 18 years old and you know, that's time, that's past time for you to go mm-hmm. in most

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both like cultures.

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That's past time for you to go, like they sent you

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off at that age. We hang on'em in our culture.

Reggie: 28:38

Right. And but it was time for her to go and so if we were butting heads

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at a real strong age because she you know,

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anyway, button heads, she was exerting her independence.

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Hmm. And the

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so we were butt heads and you know, and I'm gonna handle this. Like I, my dad handled it, right? Mm-hmm. oh, you know, the dad that was really good at parenting because he had a child when he was 16. can you imagine the parenting classes that he took and all the books he read

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on how to be an effective parent and all the coaching and mentoring and development that he got

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at that in the why not in, in the seventies? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Raised by a depression era apparent, right? That no, mine was like, it's like go play in the street, man. That was, you know, the cards come move, but Right. Go play in the street was a direction. Yes. The there was no, you know, Hey, let me watch, follow my app on the iPhone of where you're at. There's none of that. Right. There was come back, you know, make sure by this time or else, or good luck. Go get'em. So it's amazing how I was able to roam free in my community. Like, I mean, just as a kid, not doing anything wrong, really. Yeah. Just able to roam free. Mm-hmm. you know, as far as my bike could take me. The so she anyway, she started to exert her and, and so I was like, I'm just gonna do what my dad

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did. My dad would just do this. I'm gonna do this. And she's like, don't,

Reggie: 29:57

don't, don't, don't do that. don't do that. And you don't want, a therapist can go, don't do that, because usually they go like, what do you think? Or What do you think you should do? Or like, but whenever they go, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't. Right. Don't do that because it's 90%, it's 90% of the time. Oh, what do you think you should do? Yeah. Mm-hmm. and which is the most aggravating thing with therapists, right? Which is, what do you think you should do? It's like I'm asking you. Right? Of course. Because I, they want you to come up with your own ideas and that's, you know, deal. But anytime they go, don't, don't do that. And so she's like, well, think about this. And she, and she's like, I know how this is gonna work out. And same thing with my wife. Like I say, I'm, I'm gonna

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handle it this way. You know, my wife being, we'd be in a disagreement argument, something or something I take to her, I'm gonna handle it

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this way. Don't, don't, don't, don't do that. Don't do that. And so it's been really helpful. Oh, guess what? I could have used some guides because at this point, like I was considered myself a really above average parent. Mm-hmm. I had some. really good kids and they weren't perfect, but did a pretty good job. I kind of rocked it as a parent, especially at the early years. Yeah. Because Marine Corps strict father, great mentor teacher

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on command and control

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through a lot of things. So I had great kids, I had them kids you could take somewhere and not be ashamed of'em. Right? Yeah. My kids a Chris song growing up. My kids were wired tight, and so I mean, they, they'd behave and Yes ma'am. No ma'am. Yes sir. Notice I had all that stuff, like had all that stuff down. Yeah, right. I, I act really cool. It's a good, we have a good party trick cause we were taught this at

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in we had a parenting class we went to, and we

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were taught that our kids were taught to do the interrupt rule. So, cuz I believe there's nothing worse than two adults talking and then some kid going, mama, mama, mama, daddy, daddy, daddy interrupting, two adults talking. Mm-hmm. I believe that to be very rude. Mm-hmm. And disrespectful, right? Mm-hmm. So we were taught the Interrupt rule, which is our kids' work, which is when you're talking

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to adults are talking, then the kids come up and pu

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their, put their hand on your hip mm-hmm. and you put your hand on their hand and say, Hey, I know you're there and I see you, but let the adults are talking and let's, you know, let, let, let them finish and then we'll acknowledge you. Right? Mm-hmm. And so what a great party trick whenever you're at a thing with other kids and there kids are going run around like wild people, so they anyway, they're, and my kids would put their hand on their hip and tell, and they'd go, Hey, and, and, and the, and the people you're talking to look at you like you a third eye. What happened there? It's like, oh, that's the

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interrupt

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rule. Right? So really good at parenting at that face. Now, what I have learned over time, and I've watched this by watching kids and their parents, the kids that

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were really parents that were really I'll say strict, strict, iss not the right word, but really had their, had

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command and control over their children, and, and you need the command and control, by the way, right? So that when they're running toward the street and you go stop mm-hmm. they freeze. Like, that's why you want to have command and control at early

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age. It protects

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em, it, it's, you know, they teach'em respect, but also it's, it's protects them, right? Mm-hmm. from doing things from stopping and, and, and instant com instant response. Mm-hmm. was something that we

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commanded,

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right? And, and we got, so that all works good. Now, people that were good at parenting at that phase, at the early years where their kids were wellbe behaved, they're all great respect, all that kind of stuff. They often struggle

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when their kids exert their independence as

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teenagers. It makes sense. So have you seen that over time you've seen and remember the kids like, we grew up Chris, we know each other from an environment to where we saw a lot of kids grow up and remember they kids that were bad when they were little. Sheesh like, like the kids were bad, right? I mean they were outta control. They were kicking and screaming and spitting always in time out and all that kind of stuff. And, but when they got older you're like, those kids are gonna be bad. You know, they were fine and they're fine. Mm-hmm. right? And then the ones that are like really like perfect little kids, they kind of became a little bit of hellions once they got older. Like, not all, but there were exceptions of rule, but a little tougher. What I found, I was a really good parent at

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the early ages, right. I get awards for stuff I've pulled off. Yeah. they got older man, they became tough

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because they start

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to exert that independence. Right? And once you can't con like a certain age, you've lost control. Mm-hmm. And that becomes

Reggie: 33:50

a bit of a struggle. So, so getting some help and support through that. Now that's an example of.

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How, you know, therapy has been really important not only to help me both

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professionally mm-hmm. but

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also help me personally become a much better father. Yeah. She actually had me read a book one time. I was doing some stuff. She's like, you need to read this book. I read this book and the book is

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1, 2, 3. Perfect Teen. So,

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and it's also like, there's also a 1, 2, 3, like perfect parent or something, or Kit 1, 2, 3. Perfect. Better teen. Perfect.

Reggie: 34:23

Anyway, look it up. But the 1, 2, 3 perfect teen,

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the that just like, you didn't read this book. Well, I'm reading the book. I got halfway through. Mm-hmm. I called Sarah, I was like, and Sarah was in her freshman year in college and I said, yeah, I called her and I said, Hey, I

Reggie: 34:38

just want you to let you know,

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Cause she, so she hadn't fully disconnected yet and she was like, I was like, I just wanna let you know I screw, I've reading this book about halfway through and I screwed a lot of things up for, you know, with you. I'm like, I realize I did this wrong. I this wrong. I'm learning some stuff and I just wanna apologize. Like you were my you were my like Guinea

Reggie: 34:54

pig and I'm, you know, gonna get better. Like you're, your brother and sister are gonna benefit

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from me getting you know, getting better at

Reggie: 35:05

this. Mm-hmm. but I've screwed everything up with you. So anyway, I apologize for my bad. Yeah, my bad. That's right. My bad. And she's like, that's all right. She's

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like, I really could be better too. And I didn't make things any easier. And so we had this little moment of specialist and,

Reggie: 35:17

and so the, but being able to have somebody guide me through that and just go, no, no, no. And here's where to learn. Yeah. So, you know,

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having that somebody that, that guides and directs to make

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me to be on somebody, it's on team rage. I can relate there and it's made me a better father. It's made me a better husband. It's actually did enough impact for me where I was talking to some things about my wife and. And kind of sharing some things that she's going through with her mother and things mm-hmm. and she said if she seeing somebody. And I was like, no, no, she's kind of handle some, you know, she's had hit or miss issues with therapists and those kind of things. And she said, Hey, you know what, she could probably benefit hearing some things she's going through to kind on stuff. So she got hooked up with somebody.

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And you talk about somebody that has grown and developed and benefited from mm-hmm. and been empowered by, you know, having

Reggie: 36:02

somebody that's on Teen Tina. Mm-hmm. And I've had somebody that's on team Reggie that, and it's empowered her in a big way.

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And I'm a by the way, I dunno if you figured this out, but I'm a lot to deal with. Like I'm

Reggie: 36:11

a lot so from a strength, power strong feelings like, and so I'm a lot to deal with. I'm pretty strong-willed. Mm-hmm. and my wife's pretty strong-willed,

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but I have

Reggie: 36:20

overpowered her over the years. But you know what you meant. I'm the, I'm the alpha, right? And so being able to empower her to where when I need to be back down. like, and

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That's

Reggie: 36:32

been helpful for her in that. But it's also been helpful in, you know, navigating

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the aging parent issues and, and making her not feel guilty for, you know, dealing with what is a tough situation. So

Reggie: 36:43

it's been great to watch her grow and then we've incorporated that, you know, with our kids you know, recommended that. So having somebody that's on team Reggie that is helping me

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be the best version of

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myself so strong to believe everybody should have a therapist that is on your site and

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don't wait till things are so bad to

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where life has burned down around you. And you've done some very dysfunctional, counterproductive

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things. You.

Reggie: 37:10

Start now, start often, start early because

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you get one shot at this life. And to be the best version of you and live the

Reggie: 37:16

best life you have. Having somebody that's on team, you mm-hmm. they can help guide, direct you, and then every now and then go, no, no, no, no. Don't, don't do that. Don't do that. To make you function. Not just mediocre,

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not just getting by or just okay. But, but be

Reggie: 37:29

the best version you can be. So that's something I tapped into about four or five years ago, man. And it has been really amazing, the difference

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in me interpersonally and

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now

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watching my kind of my bee right, pull me forward versus pull me back, hold me back and, and have to deal with some of the mistakes. That's

Reggie: 37:47

when my son got to that age, right? You get to that age. I don't know if you were at that age, but I was at that age. A lot of men get to that age, or they want to try their old man out. Right. And they want, they and he got to that age to where he was wanting to try me out, and you could see that ego. And, and by the way, in most, in a lot of cultures about that age, before they hit that age about 14, 13, 14, it's when they are kicked out of the village Right. And go to Finn for themselves or, you know, all kinds of rituals they have to go through. Yeah. But they're actually throw, they're throw in a lot of cultures, they're thrown out of the tribe because dad knows what happens. Right. Right. Like, dad, he's gonna try to take us and it, and that's not a good look. So so they just send'em away and let'em go on their own. Well, I'm, we're stuck with'em in this culture until they're whatever, 18 plus. And so he was gonna try me out. Mm-hmm. trying like, what are you gonna do? You

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know, and that kind of that look of

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they start to look at you and go, this ain't the first as whoop I ever took Like I, you know, like Right. I've been in a, and not the as asshole, but not like a corporal punishment, like Yeah. Mm-hmm. like. I've been, I've been punched in the face before, not by me. Yeah. Right. But they've been in fights in school before and they learn they can take a ass whooping. Mm-hmm. like you, they can take a fight, Right. And they're not gonna die. So, you know, you gimme that look like, you know, let's see, let's see what happens. You know, what are you gonna do? Is that what you gonna do? Look right. And we know what that look is cuz we gave a to our old man too. Right? So he started kind of, that, that energy started to happen. Like, what are you gonna.

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and the and of course the Marine, you know, the Marine and the Yeah. You know,

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Dwight's son. Yes. And all that, you know, came out to me and my dad just, you know, when I started to do that, he just started, he grabbed me by my, you know, shirt. Mm-hmm. you know, with two hands and just picked me up and I was bigger than my dad. Yeah.

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You know, I was always bigger than he was,

Reggie: 39:42

or was bigger than he was after I was 13,

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14 years old. And he was pick me up

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on the wall and shake me a little bit and, you know, and, and, and he just made it clear that he had an old man's strength and he could handle me So, so we started to have that competition and she said you gotta,

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She said, you gotta be careful there. She's like, you got the power and control. Mm-hmm.

Reggie: 40:02

you don't need to, you know, you don't need to prove it. So by trying to prove it, she's like, cause I know where this ends up, y'all end up rolling in the yard and that's gonna cause much bigger issues over time. Yeah. So don't try to, you know, don't try to ego up. Just back off. Mm-hmm. you got the power and control. You don't have to prove it, you know? Yeah. So she caught something when

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it was, she saw a sign of something when it was small.

Reggie: 40:27

Caught it guided, directed me, and it was so magical. She's like, because I've been here before tons and tons of times, and it was the first time I'd been through something like that. I had two other kids. I don't, my other, my two girls, man, they didn't try to try me out Right. You know, they you know, they know how to work me in different ways. Yeah. But they're not trying to get over on me

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or overpower

Reggie: 40:46

me. Right. You know, so he was in a certain way, you know, just in his way you could see it coming. So he so she knew what it looked like, warned me about it.

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So here's how you handle it. Yeah. And, and

Reggie: 40:58

I did what she said, and it worked magically. And as I backed off and quit

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trying to over

Reggie: 41:04

masculine him mm-hmm. and try to exert power and control

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how magical it was and how our relationship got a whole lot better when I quit trying to, you know, Over, over Emasculate, you know, Bebe a man. Mm-hmm. that's, and I'm in control, so

Reggie: 41:20

that's what

Chris: 41:21

I'm there for. So anytime I come, come by the house, he always tries to buck up and I'm like, well, I'm not the dad so

Reggie: 41:27

I can, right. Yeah. So, so Chris, I want to talk about the background of our relationship. I was gonna ask too, cause he always saw him, refers you to pop and then I, that was it. That's right. Which confuses a lot of people. The especially when my because alright, so it confuses a lot of people. So, you know, our,

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Relationship goes back to you know, we, each other, we do through, through church. Years ago, yes. That's how we met. Like, we were we taught like little kids Sunday school. Actually Chris became our helper. Mm-hmm.

Reggie: 41:55

So actually I'll tell you how Chris actually kind of, and we always say that people, we always refer to Chris as like, you know, our, and Chris is our other kid, like Chris is our surrogate kid. I always call her surrogate kid. But you know, and, and not to. Tina, my wife. Like that's to Tina. Chris is is Tina's favorite kid. like, and everybody knows the kids though, like, cuz there's always a competition amongst our kids, right? Like, who's the favorite. Yeah. And they all look at each other and they go, Chris Chris is the hos the favorite. I got a funny Thanksgiving story about that in a minute, but oh gosh. That'll be the, that'll be the end, right? But the we'll stick to landing

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with that one. But the how we met

Reggie: 42:30

is we

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We took on foreign exchange

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students. Okay. So we had three small kids, like. Six months,

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two and a half and, and three and in you know, one and a half and

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three and a half. And like somebody I worked with at the time said, Hey, there's this girl coming over from Germany or, or she's coming from

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Germany and she doesn't

Reggie: 42:49

have a place to stay. Mm. And so it's very

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common in exchange students

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things because they always have more, especially from these ex

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organizations,

Reggie: 42:58

especially from places like Germany,

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Germany's like, it's part of a rite of passage. Like

Reggie: 43:03

to, it, it, it's really a,

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a one of the, like the steps, right? To have a gap year. and do it for

Reggie: 43:09

an exchange program. Huh? It's very odd for us students to do something like that, but it's like very, very

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common for a lot of those European

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people. So they always more students, they have homes to provide, so, right. So they got this whole game they

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played where they,

Reggie: 43:22

even, they, they do two steps. They say, Hey, we got these kids. They don't have. Homes. And that's a push. And, you know,

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send the word out

Reggie: 43:28

and in social settings and, and it happens a lot in churches or like, hey, you know, it's announcements in church and that kind of thing. Or, and they use networks and emails

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and all those kind of things where they,

Reggie: 43:37

and then they have a rival student. So they say, well, you may wanna take'em for the whole year, but if you at least provide a home for'em, until they can find a family, we'll let'em go to school.

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And they'll find, make

Reggie: 43:45

friends and they'll find a family. Yeah. Right. And it ends up the puppy dog clothes, you know, they're in the house where, you know, and they're like, oh yeah, they're not so bad. And then you let'em stay. And then we've had experience one

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time to where after we let'em stay the rules changed, or the rules that

Reggie: 43:58

they said they were gonna follow

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by us, they like, no, no, no, I'm not gonna do that anymore. So, ah that was

Reggie: 44:03

the, that happened one time that was unhappy. But the first time it happened. First time that we had, so we were like, Hey, and we, we, and we saw this girl and she was like 15. and oh, she took this picture and, and it's like a year-long process. They go through a lot of training and development. So when she took her initial photo, so there's this picture of this little 14 year old girl cute, hadn't probably matured a lot mm-hmm. and looked like a sweet little girl. And, and, and since she was but then so we said, yeah, she looks cool, keep her Germany. Like we got three kids around. They're small. Like it'd be nice to have another set of hands around and the hack is here like this girl's 14, 15 years old. My wife can't go to the store. Mm-hmm. Without an ordeal of packing everybody up and like, imagine packing up a six month

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old, a year and a half in a three and a half year

Reggie: 44:46

old Oh yeah. To the store. That's a thing. Yep. Like it becomes a whole, you know, you gotta buy dressed on the thing and just for a quick, I gotta get this. So having a couple of nooks that gonna have a set of hands around that we're fifth, that we're babysitting

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age, that wasn't

Reggie: 44:58

gonna be a bad idea either So we have a So we're like, all right, you what's one more mouth to feed? That's fine. You know, they feed and they, they we all go, just feed'em. Right, right. They'll, you know, they'll even watch the kids. They're like a kid. Right. Like having an older sister. So well, she walks off the plane and,

Also Reggie: 45:14

She's from Berlin. She's, her name's Greta, and she was from Berlin. Big city girl. Mm-hmm. Hmm. showing up in the Wilmington airport, let's just say that she had developed and she walked off that looking like she came from Manhattan and she was she was, she was a grown woman. Gorgeous. Mm-hmm. And, you know, very immature. Built like a grown woman. Dressed like a grown woman. Like a girl out on the town. Yeah. And we were. What are we gonna do with that?

Reggie: 45:47

So anyway, so we so and she's a very sweet girl. Good girl. And we, we were in the transition of moving, so we had sold a house. We had moved into a

Also Reggie: 45:54

condo that we had in Surf City. Mm-hmm. And then we were there for about a

Reggie: 45:57

month. And of

Also Reggie: 45:59

course she took tops high school by storm because here's this fancy metropolitan girl. Yeah. Made friends really, really quick, being a very, turned into a really big fish in the small pond. Mm-hmm. and community.

Reggie: 46:08

Well we, of course we ended up

Also Reggie: 46:10

selling our so

Reggie: 46:12

we had sold a house. We were gonna build a house while we were, and we stayed in our condo. Well that happened a lot faster cuz I found

Also Reggie: 46:17

out back to the manufactured housing story, like I found out that I was going to be needing to find another job. So,

Reggie: 46:24

The so I heard buy a house, so we moved back, you know, to town to you know,

Also Reggie: 46:28

cuz we're gonna build. And then we didn't have time to build, so we just bought

Reggie: 46:31

an existing house. Right. So, so we had to move. So our church had like this

Also Reggie: 46:35

moving ministry and it'd helped

Reggie: 46:37

people move mm-hmm. And so at this time,

Also Reggie: 46:39

now we're taking her to church with us and everybody in the youth group is intrigued about this new exchange student that was

Reggie: 46:47

just, that was gorgeous.

Also Reggie: 46:48

Yeah. Right. And it was, and, and anyway,

Reggie: 46:51

she was special so, and she had the attention. And so we happened to have a record setting,

Also Reggie: 46:57

Amount of youth boys

Reggie: 46:59

show up on the moving ministry. Like people said the shop showers are help, needing help moving. We have all, we have four 60, so we have, so before when, you know, you start off and, you know, you have the moving ministry there. Yeah. And, and they all start off. You know, a little bit of prayer beforehand, right. To make sure nobody gets hurt and everybody's safe and, you know, to properly best the, you know, bless the transaction. Right, right. And, and, and the guy, this lady, he was like this, I'm be grateful for all these young boys out here volunteering to help. Right. So Chris is part of that crew. Right? Right. Wait,

Chris: 47:31

I was, I will say I was not in the crew who went to their condo and moved them. I only know this because I didn't go Tosil Beach until I was like in college age. Mm-hmm. I did help unload the

Reggie: 47:44

the truck. But

Chris: 47:46

I am also a very, I will say an extroverted introvert. Mm-hmm. So in public situations I am like, I will go and talk to people just because I know what needs to be done and all my friends are like, oh my gosh, you should like link me up with that person. I'll set people up. Right. And then as soon as I'm not needed, I'm like, thank you, please let me go away. So I set up all my friends to help them move. And then I was like, I'm just gonna step away, I'm gonna let y'all do the heavy lifting. And I'm, and all the guys were like, oh my gosh, I'm so, she's so gorgeous. She, I mean, she is a very pretty person, and I ain't no lie about that. Mm-hmm. So I set my friends up, I'm like, y'all can go help her move. You can, I'll set, you can all fight it up. I'll put you on that. And then I found out she had like two other friends. And so I'm not stupid, so I was like,

Reggie: 48:39

I know how this game works. Right.

Chris: 48:42

you fight over that one and I'll go talk to the other

Reggie: 48:45

girl. That's right. So Chris played the long game. Right? Exactly. So

Chris: 48:48

I, I, I always played the long con and it still led to, they needed somebody in church to come by and like, they did like a three year old or something, like a really young age group. So you needed an extra person, an extra hand, and Greta was not gonna be the extra hand all the time. So I was there to help'em out. Mm. And then it, I joined the basketball team. and we had the stupidest practice time. So instead of going home, I just went to their house.

Reggie: 49:16

Yeah. Which is right across the street from the school. Yeah. Like you could

Also Reggie: 49:18

look out our window

Reggie: 49:19

and see the gym Oh, wow. On the outside. So we lived right across the pond in the, in college road from Laney High School, so Oh, okay. So it was really close. It was close, it was convenient. So Chris needed a place to hang out, like in between class or like in between school and and practice. So we were just like, and he was kind of our helper in the Sunday school class. Right. And the little preschool class. Yeah. So we you know, so he'd come over and he kinda became a fixture. Yeah. Right. So Chris kind of adopted us Yeah. Over time. Right. And and so, and then we had multiple change. We had, GTA was a great experience. Great, great. And we said let's do another one. So we did another one and we had Kirsten then, and she was a great kid and they became, and so we had these like, you know, things and then, you know, her and Chris became close over time. Chris was always there and Yeah, they were there. They ended up going to prom together. Yes. They didn't, they weren't romantic or anything. Yeah. They were just buddies. Right. But they were a adorable prom

Also Reggie: 50:03

couple and

Reggie: 50:04

so, you know, and so Chris kind of became their, a lot of their

Also Reggie: 50:07

you know, kind of social. And so he'd made friends with, you know, all of them. Yeah. You know, over

Reggie: 50:12

time. And so we always had this

Also Reggie: 50:13

kind of inflow of exchange students and, you know,

Reggie: 50:16

Chris just kept hanging around, you know, cause we had pretty German girls that were there. Yeah. And so that was not a, that was pretty good environment for Chris to be in. And we had a, you know, we had enough size house. We had a house that we hadn't grown into yet, so. Yeah. Well I always had a little extra space before you know, it. He was like, you know, it's a long drive cuz he lived in Rocky Point at the time. Mm-hmm. So his little time in, so he ended up kind of hanging around the house more and more often the chain shootings would go, but there's Chris. Yeah. You know, on the couch and you know, and he had kind of took over a spare bedroom and Yeah. So the kids have always kind of grown up with Chris around from a pretty young age. Mm-hmm. And one of the things about Chris is, Chris is always, I consider to myself to be a fairly strict disciplinarian. Chris was always harsher Chris is always harsher. Like, like, you know, I have the, I have the, I could be harsh, but I could also be the lovable, gooey dad. Right? Right. What He doesn't have that kind of affection toward the kids. So, you know, and while Chris is gooey on the inside, not if they're not his kids. Right. So, and, and that same thing in like, you know, like, or the, he was always the heavy because his mom's a heavy. Yes. Mm-hmm. his mom's strong. You'll mess with his mom, man. Yeah. She's tough. Everybody parents, his mom's a school teacher. Parents are scared of his mom. You don't wanna mess with Miss Kellum. Like Kellum. But Ms. Kellum said you right. Yeah. And everybody know every wants to kids in Chris Kellum's class. And because they know that's a good teacher, it's gonna have him behaving well and all that kind of stuff. But, and you don't mess with Miss Ke. Mm-hmm. now you know that. Well Chris is raised in that environment. Oldest kid, strong single mom. Right. Yeah. And you know, so he was like that as well. So he's always kind of been the heavy around enough to where I'm like, Bruh. Back off, man. Like that's a little harsh. Easy. Easy, easy, easy. You know? So I, he even makes me a little like and I

Also Reggie: 51:57

get accused for being a little harsh sometimes, but Chris is

Reggie: 52:00

always heavy. So he so Chris has always been around, so my kids have, and, and you know, Chris is that older brother? Mm-hmm. all my kids. It's often a and as the kids get older and

Also Reggie: 52:09

Sarah gets like Fifteenish, like he's the one that like, they can really go to right over time and go, amen. I'm in trouble. I need some of this for that. Or how do you and stuff you wouldn't, don't bring up to your parents.

Reggie: 52:20

Yeah, yeah. But you bring up to somebody older that you trust. Mm-hmm. that's not gonna rat out. Right. And he's been good about not ratting'em out. Like he's a good, safe space. Yeah. My kids will rat each other out all the time. But apparently Chris is like, like, it's like the Swiss bank right. Of all that stuff. So, so that's where. my

Also Reggie: 52:39

the relationship with you know, Chris has developed over

Reggie: 52:41

the, the years to where Yeah, he is just gonna become part of the family. And, and he also helped, my wife was a photographer, and then she became

Also Reggie: 52:47

his assistant. Oh, yeah. He became her assistant.

Reggie: 52:50

Right, right. You know, so she would go on jobs and she needed somebody to, she'd shoot weddings and things. So she needed a person that, and, and Chris would just like do whatever she said. Right. Like, because, and, and Tina didn't have anybody that like that in her life. Tina's always the person, my wife's always the person, everybody goes to her for stuff. Mm-hmm. and she's really good at getting stuff done. But she didn't have anybody in her life. She doesn't have that go-to person in her life. So, so Chris you know, only became that in a work environment, but then he was always kind of, and he was working with her lot

Also Reggie: 53:14

on the weekends and he was

Reggie: 53:16

staying at the house more, and she could always go to Chris. mm-hmm. and go, Hey man, I need this, I need this, I need that. Or Can you do this for me? Can you do this for me? And she and Chris like, yeah, I can do it. I can do it. Because he was kind of hanging out, you know? And he was, and he is got, he got outta high school. He was kind of there. Right. right. Kind of living there for free to a certain degree. So he was always around, but more than willing to do whatever we asked of him. Yeah. Well, I didn't, I was too busy work and I didn't ask anything from him. You know,

Also Reggie: 53:36

I'd come home late at night

Reggie: 53:37

and you know it, and anyway, he, but she could always depend on Chris. Right. So that's how Chris evolved into being Tina's person. Mm-hmm. and being the favorite So anyway, so as it evolved over time,

Also Reggie: 53:49

the,

Reggie: 53:50

As it evolved over time, hear a siren in the background, I'm like, is that the music that sounds we got, we got to go. No, no. The so we're sitting around

Also Reggie: 53:57

Thanksgiving one time, so this kind of evolved and, and over the years, and. but

Reggie: 54:02

Chris, you know, so, so we're, and we're doing this whole, we did this thing for a couple

Also Reggie: 54:05

years to where it's like going around the horn and what are you most thankful for?

Reggie: 54:08

Right? Right. So we're just thinking what we're all thankful for And, and then, and then, so Tina's going through his Tina's turn, right? So she's going to what she's thankful for and I'm

Also Reggie: 54:16

thankful for, you know, this and that, I'm think, and you know, actually going through

Reggie: 54:19

each of the kids, right? And so she goes through each of the kids, she's like, and kind of in order, you know, like I'm thinking for Alexander

Also Reggie: 54:23

and the great young man, he's becoming, I'm thinking for Scarlet for how smart she's about, how does she will in school

Reggie: 54:28

and does this and that, thankful Sarah, blah blah, blah. And then she gets to Chris. Mm-hmm. and she's done. Everybody in the family, like she's done me, she's done everybody in Chris's last. And she gets to Chris and she starts crying. Oh no, she, she, she starts like tearing up, right? And we're like, you didn't tear up in any of us but you get to Chris, you know, cuz Chris is always there when I need him. Mm-hmm. and no matter what and just as in total complete tears. And we're, we're all sitting there going. See, he knew it was him. He's the He's he's the favorite. Yes. So that's kind of how it that's how it grows. So Chris is known as the favorite. So Chris is surely

Also Reggie: 55:09

part of the family. Mm-hmm. And, and we've just grown close over the years, so it's good to it's been awesome to watch him grow, develop, and learn. And it's he, and he's just been a great you know, addition to the family, so. Yeah. Anyway, they're and anyway, had a great wife and I, we were honored just to even be in the you know, we kind of hung up. We were with the family. Like we weren't

Reggie: 55:27

like hanging with the family or in the family section, like

Also Reggie: 55:29

Yeah. Like we were the family. Yeah. It confused

Reggie: 55:32

the pastor a lot, because there's

Also Reggie: 55:36

Kim. Mm-hmm. his mom, right? Yep. And then there's Tina. Yep.

Reggie: 55:43

His other mom, Uhhuh And so the ca the pastor who's a very he's a Pentecostal pastor.

Also Reggie: 55:49

Yeah. And you know, we're

Reggie: 55:50

down here in the, you know, city of Wilmington and compared

Also Reggie: 55:53

to up in the Hills in

Reggie: 55:54

Lenore, right. You know boy, the Presbyterians handle snakes up there. Mm-hmm. you know, it's a little more conservative up there. So,

Also Reggie: 56:00

He he didn't know what we were into down

Reggie: 56:02

here, And then, so there was a, at the rehearsal dinner at the rehearsal,

Also Reggie: 56:06

there was a lot of confusion on, okay, so who, this is mom and this is mom. Yes. And then

Reggie: 56:12

they met me. Yes. Really? They a wrench into it. They were really threw a wrench into it and, you know, so there's,

Also Reggie: 56:20

So it, it often gets a lot of laughing confusion about you know, because there's a, you know, there's a, there's a pigment difference too, right? Yeah. So, so when my, my, you know, literally white kids walk into reeds

Reggie: 56:29

and like, Hey, we're looking for you know, Chris, they're like, okay, can we tell'em who's here to see him? It's his sister It's his brothers and sisters. You know, we dropped a birthday present off the other day. Right. You know, it was like, you know, it's like, this is for Chris. Yeah. Just tell him it's for his birthday. Okay. Well you know who it's from. It's tell him it's from his brothers and sisters and they just look so confused and we walk out the door every time. every time. That just makes it fun at this, this point. Yeah.

Chris: 56:54

But yeah, I call, obviously I call my mom, mom, mama any iteration. Mm-hmm. And then there's Mama Tina. Yeah. And then pops. And it's also hilarious because we'll be sitting around the house and I'm like, I'll call him Pops or Papa. Mm-hmm. And then the kids would like have to figure out, wait, what? What am I supposed to call him? Oh, Because sometimes I'll just call him Reggie cuz I'm an adult and I'm like, oh, he's Reggie. Mm-hmm. And I remember randomly they, they'd be like I feel like Alexander tried, you called, you tried to call you Pops one time. and it was like, no,

Reggie: 57:29

well, well, you know, and he said that age where he didn't wanna call me daddy. Yeah. Like the girls call me daddy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I've always been Daddy always been

Also Reggie: 57:35

Daddy always been daddy. Well, he got to that age right. To where he didn't want to call me daddy anymore. Mm-hmm. you know, so he has transitioned.

Reggie: 57:43

So he went through that phase of trying to figure out what to call me, I guess. Yeah. Right.

Also Reggie: 57:46

Right. And I'm, and they and so,

Reggie: 57:49

He's, he's settled on father. Yeah. That makes sense. Father, father. Mm-hmm.

Chris: 57:54

Yeah. Father. Yeah. But he tried

Reggie: 57:56

pops once until it was like, no, we shut that down Anyway, so that,

Also Reggie: 58:02

You know, that unsolved a mystery of our of well, might me and Chris know each other, so so, yeah. Anyway. All right.

Reggie: 58:08

Well, any, any other, anything we gotta do before we close? I'm, we figure we're probably catching toward the,

Also Reggie: 58:13

Tail end of our time. Yes. Tyler

Chris: 58:15

has a question.

Reggie: 58:17

We always have a final question

Chris: 58:19

all for our guests on here. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, wait, I got one other, I got a, a separate question before we end the whole thing. Oh yeah, that's I was, I was sitting there talking to Tyler the other day and I was like, you know, this would be a good one to ask. And the question is, what does success and happiness mean to you? Success

Reggie: 58:38

and happiness,

Chris: 58:39

because I know you've hit a point in your life that, that it's a little bit different because people kind of hit a, like we said, we have people who hit plateaus and they're like, I'm done, or they don't kind of care to move forward. So what does that kind of look like to you? Ooh,

Reggie: 58:57

all right. The I guess it would be the best definition. Mm-hmm. I don't know what

Also Reggie: 59:04

the, I don't know what the right definition is, but the best version of the answer to that question that was brought to my attention in the last couple of years, and I bought it. Mm-hmm. which was, it's being on your deathbed. Reflecting back on your life and smiling. Mm-hmm. and going job well done. Yeah. I think that's success.

59:32

I

Reggie: 59:33

pulled that off without getting emotional. Yeah. because I was about to, I felt it coming Yeah.

Also Reggie: 59:37

As I was. Oh. And I thought about it a minute ago. So,

Reggie: 59:39

So I don't know. That's pretty powerful. I think if you look back on life and go, I, I wouldn't have done it any

Also Reggie: 59:45

different. Okay. Yeah. I did it right. I didn't, I didn't do it right. It, it's worked out great. And if I go back on my life, I wouldn't have done it any different because it wouldn't have, you know, and, and to be able to be on your deathbed and not to have regrets and to live the, live the full life and gave it all you got and, and, and live the life you wanted to, not the life you wanted to live. And, and, and

Reggie: 1:00:10

some, it's not the life that you wanted to live when you were looking

Also Reggie: 1:00:12

forward. Right. But you're able to look back and go. man, life was amazing, you know, to have loved ones around you that, you know, are sad to see you go, but you know, that, that you had a great

Reggie: 1:00:22

end time with and you had a great impact with'em. Mm-hmm. They wanted to still be around you. And so I, I think it's you

Also Reggie: 1:00:28

know, being able to look back and go, I wouldn't have done it any different and, and, and be excited about the life you lived, not to have regrets and not say I wish I could have or I wish I did. You know that I I left. I don't know. I think success in life is squeezing everything outta life you can and mm-hmm. and, and you know not leaving a lot on the table like it, so,

Chris: 1:00:50

so since we went to the, the forward end mm-hmm. Tyler's got a question

Reggie: 1:00:54

for the back end. Yeah. All right. If you were to tell your younger self one thing, what would it be?

Also Reggie: 1:01:01

I could tell my younger self. One thing, what would it be? It would be that it's gonna be all right. Yeah, it's gonna be all right. That, and that you can attempt something and fail. And if you fail at it and, and, and not to not do something because of the risk of failure or the risk of embarrassment or the risk of looking stupid mm-hmm. right? Or, or, or, or that if something happened that causes those things that you're gonna be better off for it. The greatest growth, you know, accelerations in life and boosts in life come from adversity, hardship, and going through things that are

Reggie: 1:01:47

tough, right? So, You can intentionally go through something that's tough,

Also Reggie: 1:01:50

like I did in the Marine Corps. I intentionally did something was tough because I knew it would grow and develop over life. Mm-hmm. and I had a lot of

Reggie: 1:01:55

buddies that are like, I ain't going that. I'm not going to the toughest service. I'm going to the Air Force. Right. You know, and I'm going to the, you know, I'm going to the Coast Guard cuz that's, and, and people at the coast, like, you know, that, that's not to discredit that at all. Mm-hmm. but they there's a lot of people from a lot of services like Yeah, I was thinking about being a Marine. Right. You know, and so that's a joke we tells Marines. Like I, I almost went into Marine Corps. Mm-hmm. the so I did something, you know, so I intentionally did something

Also Reggie: 1:02:20

was tough because I knew it would make me something, but I also went through things that I never would've wanted to wish on anybody. Mm-hmm. that were tough and how that's made me a better person. Mm-hmm. Today and those adversities in life have been my you know, they're my superpowers at this point, so mm-hmm. You know, glad I've had to figure out on my own and. And, and glad that I've had to go through those. I've skinned my knees at times because those created you know, scars and that I'll say scars in a way that, that are callouses rather. Right. That in a very positive way that made me tougher and stronger. So,

Reggie: 1:02:53

So I was afraid at certain points to take risks because

Also Reggie: 1:02:57

bad stuff might happen. And,

Reggie: 1:02:59

And sometimes you take risks and bad things happen, but you figure out what not to do,

Also Reggie: 1:03:04

right? Yep. And you pick yourself off. And the most I think some of the most successful people in life that I know in business are being, are the ones that do do things

Reggie: 1:03:11

faster. Mm-hmm. they, they make, they do things faster. They make mistakes faster,

Also Reggie: 1:03:15

They learn faster, right? And, and,

Reggie: 1:03:18

and, and they figure out what doesn't work. So figure out what doesn't work so that you can figure out what, and get some guidance and

Also Reggie: 1:03:24

direction. I, I probably could have benefited from guidance and direction a whole lot sooner. Yeah. Should have got that therapist 10 years sooner. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I would've avoided a lot of the parent, the, the, probably the marriage struggles. I would've been a better husband sooner. I would've had a better marriage sooner. I would've had a better business sooner. I would've had a better, better, better, better sooner if I would've gotten the right guidance coaches people in my life. That would've helped me a lot sooner if I would've had a personal trainer sooner. Mm-hmm. I would've gotten better shape sooner, and I wouldn't have dealt, had some of the health issues I had at a certain, I wouldn't have had so much weight on at certain

Reggie: 1:03:57

time. You know? So get guidance, support and realize

Also Reggie: 1:03:59

that you get one chance at life. The sooner you get help and support in the areas you need it the the sooner that you're gonna get to where you want to go. Yeah. So, enjoy life where you're young too, man. Don't just wait till you're 70 to enjoy life or retire or have that thing, man. Get at a certain point you become too

Reggie: 1:04:13

old to do some of the, you

Also Reggie: 1:04:14

know, a lot of the, all the fun stuff. Right. So smell the rose, enjoy life, travel, see the world, get different perspectives. You know, do, do a lot of the things you can when you're still young. Yeah. It'll benefit you sooner. Mm-hmm. As opposed to just waiting to get all your perspective once you, you know, once you get too old to be able to use it. Great. So

Chris: 1:04:32

with that being said, I think this is a great way to start the new year off. I, I don't know who else we would've put on that would've brought so much perspective both from looking back as well as looking forward in life and how to grow ourselves this year as well as in the years to come. Mm-hmm. Which is what we're looking for, for both personally and for the podcast. We want to thank everybody who's listened to. I'm assuming we're pushing 50 episodes now, season people close to 50. Yeah. So listening to us from our entry stages of recording at U N C W. Yeah. Finding an open room and trying to record real quick. Almost forgot about that

Reggie: 1:05:12

already. Hasn't even been a year

Chris: 1:05:13

Listening to us doing some silly stuff as well as really bad editing and just kind of pushing through and kind of learning something. This whole podcast, I feel like has just been, we've learned a

Reggie: 1:05:23

lot from this podcast. We started out not knowing anything about podcasting. We learned all of the equipment that we needed and then we were lucky enough to almost literally fall into a place and we had to do a little bit of light construction, ourselves too. And we both haven't really had to dabble into that, so we painted a whole entire studio along with fixing some holes and walls and putting up a lot of recording equipment. Yes.

Chris: 1:05:50

So thank you everybody for listening. To the Whiskey and Wisdom Podcast as All right. I was pop mentioned business growers.co.

Reggie: 1:06:00

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Also Reggie: 1:06:14

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Also Reggie: 1:06:35

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Also Reggie: 1:06:42

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Also Reggie: 1:06:51

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Also Reggie: 1:07:01

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Reggie: 1:07:15

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Also Reggie: 1:07:16

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Also Reggie: 1:07:27

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Reggie: 1:07:33

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Also Reggie: 1:07:34

know, maybe there'll be something in it for us somewhere down the line. Yeah. There's a lot of investment that we're willing to make in especially young business owners to be able to grow and develop'em. So come check

Reggie: 1:07:43

us out. Cool. I'll talk to you after the podcast too about that

Chris: 1:07:48

All right. Thank you guys for supporting, following please make sure to share like, and leave a nice review for us because like Reggie said, and like my mom always said, if you ain't got nothing nice to say, don't say it at all. See ya. Happy new Year. Cheers. Cheers.

Reggie: 1:08:07

Cheers.