Jeff Church, Chris' father-in-law comes on the pod for our fireside chat conversation this week. We discuss the importance of family, being in the education field for over 30 years and transitioning to a new career!
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Welcome back you guys to the podcast this week, we are doing a fun fireside chat with my awesome father-in-law Mr. Jeff Church. Hey everybody. thank you for coming on. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah. So we're calling in a fireside chat. You know, it's kinda like a little fire, just a quick little chat. We also don't have any electricity or lights in the building, so it's just, we got a little lamp going on, just a little vibe. So it's a little bit, yeah, more casual, little chill, little casual. It'll be fun. But this week, because Jeff doesn't drink we've reached out to spiritless. Which is a non-alcoholic company that makes drinks that are bourbon alternatives. Yeah. I think this one is called Kentucky 74. They also make a tequila that just came out tequila. I saw that too. Yeah. Which is kind of cool. So we're checking them out because they aren't alcohol. They don't have the same exact finish mm-hmm sniffing the. They definitely have some like caramel sense smell, like look at those smell sweeter tones, for sure. Yeah. But I'm excited. I think this will be a little bit more of a mix into your cocktails kind of drink. And we might end up using it when one of us start 75 hard again. I decided we're both gonna start in August. I knew he was gonna do that to me. and then we'll finish right before my birthday. Oh, true. All right. We'll figure it. Well, all right, let's give it a try. Cheers. That is interesting. The first thing for me, just for trying so many whiskeys, you don't get the burn. No, not at all. And what's, and I think that kind of throws it off more than anything, but for me there. Little bit of a, like a licorice, a little bit of a Cola type of taste to it. Mm-hmm so this would be good mixed, like if you're used to drinking like a bourbon and Cola. Yeah. Or like a whiskey Coke, I think mixing was something will definitely help you just because it is a little bit sweeter. Yeah. I mean, we're drinking it on ice, so yeah. But yeah, something a little bit different for us. Mix it up. But like I said, this week, we have Ugh. Chris is dying over here. I think he is, was a little stronger. Yeah. he, he makes a little bit of a real bourbon in there. No, I wouldn't. But like I said, we brought on Jeff Church who is a currently an assistant superintendent in his county. Is it the county? Mm-hmm Cowell county schools. But you're also moving along. Mm. I am. So where are you going next? I will be with the city of Lenore. Okay. Beginning, August 8th. Oh, wow. Where gonna be doing for them? I'll be the operations manager for public utilities. Oh, okay. Water and sewer department. Yeah. That's one heck of a change. It's it's a little, little different. ready for a different hat. Yeah. But it's kind of funny. We were driving past the sewage treatment plant here in Wilmington. Yeah. And he was like, I'll be doing that. I was like, I hope you don't smell like that every day. That'd be so painful. The perpetual fart flame. Yes. Yeah. yes. Yes. I was like, Ooh, I, and then I thought about how I met your mother and that technically I live in DOA tree play downwind of the sewer treatment plan. Oh yeah. Yeah. But I've always wondered this cuz I'm just one of those people. And my mom was a teacher. And you started as a teacher, right? Mm-hmm I did. How do you go from a teacher to a superintendent or assistant superintendent takes time. I talk to your mom is exceptional children, special ed isn't she? No, she is this year. I think she's just straight fifth grade, straight. Fifth grade. Yeah. I was exceptional children taught special ed at the high school level. Okay. After, I don't know, my sixth year, fifth year, seventh year, eighth year, something like that. I decided to go back into administration. I was gonna be a high school principal. And ultimately I've been thinking through that as. Thinking through the end of my career. Now I remember sitting at the high school and somebody said, what do you wanna do when you grow up? And I said, I want this job, the job that I have now, mm-hmm And so that was probably 15 years before I got it. And so that's cool. You just you go back to school, get your masters in administration and you become an assistant principal. And then I became a principal and then became assistant superintendent now associate super. So couple different questions and to, to get your superintendent license, you need to have your doctorate. So I did go back with garden web to get my doctorate as well in school administration. I don't know if I can be that's a lot of papers. It's a lot of papers. Yeah. and one big one at the end. Mm-hmm What was your dissertation on? It was on writing and okay. The effectiveness of the current of, of writing seventh grade writing. Oh, that's interesting. So when you say effectiveness, what do you mean by that? We were, there was a, a, there was a writing program that we were doing at our school and I was I studied it to determine if it was actually effective in teaching writing skills. Oh, okay. And as we turned out, it was effective in giving the teachers. confidence in what they're doing. Oh, okay. More so than the program itself. So it was, it was good. It was good work. Yeah. That's neat. So you were an assistant principal mm-hmm was that for high school or middle school? It was for high school. Okay. In the same school that I was teaching. Huh. And that was kind of, that was interesting. That doesn't happen a lot. And I was an assistant principal for. Right about for just about a year and then became my first principalship was at our local alternative school, high school, alternative school. Right. And then I was there for a year and then spent six years at the middle school that I, that I grew up in and that I went to and you could look across the football field and see mom and dad's house, the house that I grew up in. Oh, wow. So just all one small community. Yeah. It's very interest. Yeah. I didn't realize that like I've been to, to his grandma's house, his mom's house. Yeah. Mm-hmm and looked and I was never thought, oh, Hey, between those trees there's the school. Oh, wow. What was interesting? A lot of the parents of the students there at it was Hudson element. Hudson middle school were the parents were schoolmates of mine growing up. Mm-hmm so that's very important. Anytime you're in a leadership position. You really, you work hard in building trust and building those relationships. So that really helped helped me because I already had a lot of those relationships. Oh yeah. Kinda like that. It was really funny cuz he apparently was the principal at the school when Emily was there. I was oh really? I was, and I was, I was like, man, I wonder how awkward that would be. She hated it. did she get teased a lot because of it? She always, well, her, her sister, Katie, her youngest daughter, I was the principal there as well. Her sixth grade year and Emily did not want to be known as the principal's daughter and Katie wanted to use it for her advantage. Right? Two differences. Yeah. That's so funny. that really showcases just them in general now mm-hmm like, they're both very, like, they do things. They get to the same point, but very different. They do, they do which is kind of funny superintendent wise, because I am a normal person and all I hear is superintendent I'm like, I didn't know. There were different levels. Mm-hmm what is like, what's the difference between you said you were an associate mm-hmm I an assistant, like, what's the difference between those. The title. Oh, okay. in essence, in essence, in, in our school district, we have the superintendent who is who is the top, he's the superintendent. We have an associate superintendent, which is me over auxiliary services, which is operations. Okay. Which ties into my next career going in. I'm getting ready to go into ties into that. And then we have a superintendent, so an assistant superintendent over human resources and then one over curriculum as. Okay. So instead of the one person being in charge of everything, you, you kind of kinda branch out. Yeah. Okay. And then under, underneath me, I have a maintenance director, transportation director, wraparound director, technology, director, and child nutrition director. Geez. Underneath me. So gosh, that is crazy. It ain't everything about how. Actual full school district works until you, right? Yes. There's a lot more to it than just a classroom, right? Yeah. I think like classroom sports and buses, you don't think of all the other stuff that goes into that where all the nuts and bolts that all the day to day operations to make it happen, right? Yeah. Yeah. We went up during we've been up there a couple times. We went up during Florence mm-hmm and it was. Ridiculous. Cuz he, he was sitting there was like, well I gotta, I gotta check the, the weather and make sure, you know, mm-hmm cause he was the one I know cuz you called out school didn't you? I do well did. Yeah. At the end of this month I did. I think that's just cool. Yeah. It's part of my responsibilities weather calls. So he's the. Who you, you could have blamed, right? that's right. When you didn't get those snow days. That's right. half the people were happy. Half the people were mad. Yeah. So only a two hour delay. I know. I know. I was just, I was like, I just thought it was a weather forecaster that called it. I didn't know. It was a person who was like, yeah, no. Yeah, this probably not a safe trip. It was funny cuz where I was from in PA, there was. A superintendent for each school district. Mm-hmm, not just for the whole county. So I literally, where mine was, is I had my school district and I could ride my bike to the next high school. And so they might have like a two hour delay in ours to be canceled or vice versa. Right. So like, If it was forests was canceled, I'd be like, ha I'll take that central. And then mm-hmm, you know, the next week they got too much flack for the other side and then my side got too much flack for the other, so they would flip flop So it was just funny that you could tell that there was that like internal battle going on with that. I think that's, I just never thought about that. Cuz new Hanover county's so small and I'm like man, it's rain. Someone called it yeah. Yeah. But Newhan for, county's also really long though, because Ashley would be like, for my sister, for instance, they called a snow day, one time and it was like 60 degrees outside, but like somewhere quite close to Pender county was getting snow. Yeah. Or a thought of snow. Yep. I remember getting ice up there. Yeah, I was, oh, it was a pain, but we did mention your two daughters. Mm-hmm because. One, we haven't had too many fathers on here. Well, no, we've had a handful now think about it at least three. Yeah. But because Tyler, my main host over here actually, well, his wife just had a daughter a couple months ago. I figured we would ask you a few questions. Okay. As to how, how old is your daughter? I have a little over two month old daughter and then I have a, nearly two year old son. Oh boy. Yeah. All right. isn't it like three weeks away from recording? From recording. It's about three weeks away. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So because I know you are a very family oriented man. Mm-hmm and you're definitely involved in your church as well. Mm-hmm do you think that is something that has helped you. When it comes to raising your children? Oh, absolutely. Like was it just taken to church all the time or do you think, like being around a group of people that helped you? Cause I know everyone has like a concept of like, do I need to do it by myself or right. You are who you associate yourself with. Right. So a lot of, a lot of raising you're raising your children. I mean, number one, you need to be there. And as a, as a father, as a young father, Whatever you need to do, make sure you're there for your children. Mm-hmm and ours. Emily is. 30 30 and Katie's going well, she just turned 26. So you know, they're, they're grown now. Both of'em are, are married. Of course. You know, one's married to you, Chris and thank you for taking her by the way. kidding. Just kidding, Emily. But no, you need to, you need to make sure you're you, you need to be there. And I know career choice wise, I made sure that whatever I was doing. As a career that I was there as much as I could be. And as a, as a principal, there are times that that I couldn't be there, you know, work mm-hmm work. You know, you have to do, do what you do to put food on the table. But I always talk to my teachers and I still tell my staff, now family comes first and you have to practice that and you have to be the person. You have to be that example. And I hope that I was able to do that as a dad. I hope the daughters would say. I mean, I think you did a pretty good job. thank you. Clearly. I got a good one. Yes, yes you do. one, one of the things is. As a dad you want for your children, especially daughters is, you know, you, you prepare'em you get'em ready to to go off to school. I remember having a conversation with Emily as a high school, senior about school and about about leaving, cuz we live in the foothills. We we're about four and a half hours, five hours from, from here in Wilmington. Mm-hmm and Emily decided she wanted to go. I said, you can go to school wherever you want to go, but it needs to be in the. So five more miles and she'd been in the ocean. So she came to Wilmington and has been here ever since. And this is home and it's a, it's a wonderful home for her. But I remember having a conversation with her in her bedroom about how it felt like she was ready just with her personality and her just, just her and that she was ready for this next step. And she's really made us proud. but you always want for your children. You always want them, if you're daughters, you want'em to pick good husbands and, or good husbands, pick them and have that good match. Mm-hmm and we're fortunate with that. And I, I tell a lot of people, a lot of things, and I don't blow smoke. And I don't just say things just to be saying'em, but we are very, very blessed with two with two son-in-laws that with the two that we have, Katie got married first in September and. Trey, her husband is a wonderful person, wonderful husband, just a perfect match for Katie. And we're very blessed with that. You asked for advice. Yeah, I would advise Katie got married in September. Emily got married in March. I strongly suggest you don't have two daughter and they get married six months apart. that is very good. Thanks. But then, you know, Emily. It's married, Chris. And just tell you something about about Chris for the audience here. We were, we spent the day at at the beach at Riceville beach and it's kind of neat for us to go to the ocean is five and a half, six hours away for being here in Wilmington. It's 15 minutes away and that's kind of, that was kind of cool, but we were in a local pharmacy and we were standing there at self checkout and there was a, there was a lady who was having trouble with, with. With her card working mm-hmm and it turned out it was the machine, but but Chris sitting over here, he steps aside, he steps over and he puts his card in the slot to pay for this lady's pay for this lady's product, whatever she was buying. And that's just a Testament of, of you. And I just, I appreciate, yeah, that's the type of person you are. Yeah. And I just, I appreciate that as a dad, that makes me proud that my daughter's married somebody like you. That means a lot. Chris is a good guy. I will note, I did not know what her job was. when I did that. and then I got in the car and I was like, whew, I know, I know, because I went and it was, I was like, you know, I I'm sure she didn't really need, have anything crazy. And I put my card in there and then I was like, wait, like, this is a big, I mean, it's CVS. So it can't be that crazy. But man. Wow. That's. Yeah, I try and be a good person some days. nah, you're a good person. That's why we brought your own. Yeah. so what would you say is the most difficult part of being a father? First time either Trey or Chris comes and takes your daughter out for their first date and just having them having or whoever the boy is, you know, just mm-hmm having them turn over to, you know, turn, turn your children over to, to their future husband. And that's difficult. In the beginning. Right. But then as you build those relationships, it's, it's wonderful. It's great. Yeah. But you always have those concerns with your daughters. You just want them to, to have just a good husband, good family. Yeah. This is kind of like a loaded question, but what would you say is your favorite kind of stage of life? Cause I know there's benefits to. And maybe downsides to all of them, but what was one that especially sticks out in my, in your mind, we were, when we were at the beach today, some, a friend of Emily and Chris was there and her daughters were. 10 and six, I believe are getting ready to be 10 and six, but they're that age? Yeah. When they're, when they're still little and daddy's still the hero and mom is still the hero. Right. And we were talking about our girls and here I'm gonna get myself in trouble. I've been married to Lynn for 33 years now. And so we celebrate our 33rd anniversary back in. That's awesome. Back in June. So been pretty blessed with, with Lynch and my best. So with that being said, what's the success to a successful marriage of 33 years be flexible. Yeah. be flexible. Be willing to be willing to say you're sorry. And be truthful. Be honest, right? It's not, it's not it's not rocket science, but it's, it is work and you can't be complacent. You can't just go through the motions and you can't just walk through life. You've got to be intentional. About your marriage. And you've got to even like, especially with you at your, at your stage now, mm-hmm, the, the children tend to take up that time and, and that's your priority and that's your focus. And that is important. It's very, very important raising your children, but you can't raise your children and neglect your wife or raise your children and neglect your husband. You have to be a team. It has to be a team. It's really neat that you say that too, because Jennifer and I were talking to my mother-in-law, so obviously her mom, and she said exactly the same thing. She said like you have these two under two, now it's gonna be a lot. It's gonna be stressful, but make sure that you spend time with each other. Mm-hmm because that's, it's important to, to not just neglect your significant other to put it to the kids. You have to be responsive to Your wife or husband, whatever mm-hmm And um, I know for you very similar to me as well, Christianity is a big part of our lives. So how has that played into your marriage and being a father and how has that helped you Christianity? Our faith in God is the foundation. Yeah. And that is the most important thing in our marriage. And then everything else comes and, and fatherhood and parent and family and, and everything. But everything stems from our relationship with God. And if you, if you don't have that strong foundation, I don't see how I don't see how you get through life without that foundation personally. Yeah. And because you try to, there's a difference between happiness and joy. We strive for happiness is a feeling it's fleeting in our relationship in our family, we, we try to instill joy and cause we know that's that's more endearing and it's longer, last. That's interesting. I never heard it like that before. I like it. Me either. Joy joy is a lifestyle and joy is a choice. Even, even during the difficult times you can have joyfulness, but you can be happy, mad. You can, you can be angry at each other and still have joy. Yeah, that's so true. I never thought about that. Clip it. I know. I was like, there we go. I got that one. Because you guys have been married a long time. Mm-hmm you've moved more than once. So actually, well, plus see, only, only twice. Gosh, man. You're lucky I was gonna, yeah, I always ask, I try and ask a silly question. I, so I'm gonna ask two, the first one. What is a good advice you have for someone who is moving, throw it away. Amen. Gosh, I wish I'd done that. like we have, we have plenty of space in, in this house, but I always, I pull it out. I'm like, man, this is so no, you don't need it. Yep. So it's, it's funny you bring that up now too, because the one thing I was telling Jennifer, cuz she was like, what if we want another kid, we need a bigger house. And I was like, first of all, no more kids. second of second of. Bigger house means more space for more clutter mm-hmm Yeah. And I was like, you know, honestly, we don't even need the size house that we have now, even with two kids, we just have more place for more clutter now. Right. And so it's an interesting like thought experiment for us, cuz I don't plan on moving any time soon. It's just a lot of work. But we're kind of taking that mindset of if we lived in a house half the size that we have right now, What are we getting away, giving away or throwing, throwing away. And we're doing that cuz I think it's important. I like it when we moved this last time, which was what 20, some years ago. Now we put every, put all the boxes in basement that weren't open. And I set a tight date on my calendar and six months from now, if those boxes are still there, I'm not looking, I'm not doing, I'm just, it's leaving. And so that's smart. That's we ended up doing. But, you know, by now we have a lot of boxes to take their place. So yeah. I actually found three boxes in our garage that hadn't gotten opened since we moved in and I did the same thing too. And I was like, you know what? I haven't opened it yet. Trash, trash. Yeah. You've been there for well over two years. Yeah. Cause I moved right when I started at my current job. Yeah. Which is about almost three years ago. Yeah. Actually next month. Next month, three years. We only worked together for two years two-ish years. Why does it feel so much longer than I dunno if that's a good thing or a bad thing. No, gosh, man. Retail. That'll get you. Oh yeah. Well, all right. So my SI real silly question is if you were an animal, what would you be? Tyler? This is to you. I got away from it. I loved, I love my silly question. So I'm so I'm bringing it back. Wow. See, got good question. Making everyone think mm-hmm so a monkey, what kind? You're just saying a monkey, a chimpanzee, you know, a Ringa Tang. A gorilla. Okay. Why? Because they're big and strong and they can still climb trees. And they know which branches they're gonna break. That has always been a, a thing. I never noticed what you got elephant. They never forget. They never forget. Well maybe, maybe I need to change that. Lynn Lynn would say otherwise they are kind of the general giant. Yeah. However, if they're threatened. They can take care of business when they're threatened. Mm-hmm so about the same, I thought that was kind of cool. Just the random question. Chris has no, wait a minute. I was gonna, I was gonna say, yeah, you can't get away from it now. an Otter. You O give me a good reason. Why I didn't see that coming no, they have a little pouch, like the spot where they can store stuff on'em I think it's kind of cool. So do kangaroos. Yeah, but kangaroos are mean fair and they live in Australia. Do you imagine all the stuff you gotta fight in Australia? That's true. That's why they have to be jacked. Yeah. But oters typically live. Closer to the shore. So less predators. But they're mostly like family oriented people. I thought about saying like an Orca. But those guys are mean, yeah, just I've seen some videos. I'm like, man, they, we thought they were so cool. No man, you don't mess with those guys. That's what I'm here for is just to come up with the random questions and throw everybody off for our fireside chat. Because no one else really knows this unless they're from Leno. How's the banjo. Well, It's sitting in the closet, not the closet, but sitting in a, sitting in the room. Mm-hmm mm-hmm, something called COVID came along and with COVID when you're in the school system and along with every everywhere else in the world, you are slam, dealing with COVID. Excuse me. And so we've, we've dealt with that for. However long we had to deal with it two years and then something called two daughters getting married. and I just haven't, I just haven't got outta practice and I haven't picked it back up, but it's in my mind constantly. See. Yeah, no, the first time I went up there, he was playing his banjo. We even took a trip. Did you pick up a banjo on that trip when you went to Ashe? Probably looked at one, ah, for Lynn looked at one, you were looking at him a second looking at something. Yeah. Yeah. That was my excuse to get a second one. Yeah, there, but he lives like his neighborhood is nice and space, so you're not like sitting like right. Mm-hmm Wilmington, you're spending so much money. If you. To not look into your neighbor's bathroom. Yeah. Right. But you actually have like space around it. Mm-hmm and it's so fun to like walk out and hear him just like, do, do, do and he doesn't do that. Do do, do, do, do do Yeah, I could do that. I hope so. Is that the first thing you learned? Cripple Creek was the first one that I learned. Oh, that's pretty cool. What was that? I'll have to play it next time. You're up. I'll play it. Do you know what it is? I couldn't do it, but I've, I've heard it before. Oh, okay. Yeah. I, it you're just like, oh, this I say this. Sometimes I have no idea what people are talking about. no, I'm definitely kind of, that's the one thing about Chris and I, they're very similar that we know a little about a lot. Yes-hmm so we are familiar with a lot of things, but like, couldn't like give you a dissertation on it, right? that's what we have. You four. Try it So now we're, I'm gonna spin it back around your new job. Mm-hmm what made you decide for this, like change? I'm at the point in my career, I've got 32 and a half years with the school system. So when, when you're in public ed, you can retire with full benefits at 30 years. Mm-hmm And so when you get to that point, it's time to start looking for. What's next. Cause I'm still fairly young and what, you know, what, what am I gonna be? What am I gonna do next? And when you retire, when you're in a, when you're in a position you want to leave when you're ahead and you want to leave when you're still effective. And I, I still, I feel like you want to leave when you still love what you do, cuz I've got, I feel like the best job in our school system. I just, I love operations and I love what I do. And I've got a wonderful staff that we work with. Mm-hmm and just a wonderful cabinet. It's just kind of magical what we. But you also, you need to look for, for a fit. And I'm all the time working with municipalities throughout the county with all of our local municipalities. And as I'm looking for the next step, I'm at the stage in my career that I'm working. Cause I want to work, not cause I have to work mm-hmm and I'm looking for a fit and one of the. The city of Lenore's where I'll be working. They, they pride themselves on customer service. And that's what draws me to the city of Lenore, because, because of that customer service and because of the relationship that we've had over the years, it's just a, it's gonna be a wonderful fit. And it's something different. Yeah. That's neat that you see that too, because growing up, I've done different mixed martial arts and wrestling and jujitsu and all kind of stuff. And one of the big things in. Like MMA community, especially is on kind of a different spectrum is you have a very short kind of career in that type of that kind of career. And it's all about like, when are you gonna leave? Right. And of course, everyone wants to leave, like when you're right on top. So One of like the legends of the UFC Donald cowboy. Sarone just retired. Yeah. Last last week. And what he said during his kind of like exit interview with Joe Rogan was like, Hey, why are you. Putting your gloves in the ring, like what's making you retire. And he said, I just don't love it anymore. Mm-hmm And you could tell that his love for the sport was dropping just in the way that he was performing. You could just tell his performance wasn't completely there. So I find it extremely admirable to know when you're kind of at your peak and knowing that it's time to move on. Because there's a lot of people that just hold on into dear life for the very last bit of it, even when they fly out of love with for it. So I think it's amazing that you kind of know, like, Hey, I've accomplished what I need to accomplish here. It's time to start the next, next chapter. And I'm leaving it in a good shape too. Right? We I've, we don't have enough time. I mean, I could go for the next hour of the projects that we are wrapping up in the projects that we've got on the horizons to make the school system, our current school system, even better than what it is. So, you know, we're leaving it in. It's gonna be left in good hands for the next person to pick up and carry the ball. So did you have a kind of a say or a role in who's going to be taking your position then? A little bit, however, it's not been announced. Oh, okay. Yeah. So the main reason why I asked is, was part of your job kind of like grooming the next person to come up for that, or is it completely out of, no, it, it will be they, as of this recording. They should be announced within the next week. So Monday after this recording. And so we'll be spending about three weeks together. Oh, that's awesome. Getting ready? So wait the 11th, the 11th. All right. So who is it? Ha, I can't tell you. Oh, no, yours. Isn't this doesn't come out until the twentie. If I told you I'd have to kill you. I was trained and I I've not had a whole lot to do with that. I've had a little bit of input, but I think it's, it's more important. It's one of my pet peeves. If you try to name your own replacement, that's because you know who you're leavings looking for the right fit also. Yeah. But I like that, that at least you're. You're not the person, cuz I know I've seen it in like sports too where they're like, oh, well he needs to take my place. But the problem is that that person's exactly like the like them. And most of the time when that someone's leaving, they need someone who's a little bit different to like fill the shoes cuz I know you're great. Like I've seen you at work. You do a great job. Thank you. But understand that. I feel like your replacement should be a little different. Of course. Abso I agree with that a hundred percent and my role has been more I'll answer questions if, if I'm asked, but I'm not, I don't go outta my way to give input. so since we talked, so In depth before the podcast about my last question, how it tends to get extremely long, let's jump into that so we can stay on task. So if you were to tell the younger version of yourself, anything, what would it be? Actually, I've been thinking about that today. Yeah. And you big dummy and your girls. And you and your wife, when you start, when they get up old enough to start going to the beach and go out on the ocean and play all day long. Mm. Buy a tent or or buy an umbrella because with, with us part of what I did as a classroom teacher, and even as an assistant principal, I would do commercial construction work. Oh, wow. During the summertime, which prepared me for the job that that I'm doing now, and I'd have to give my, thanks to my dad for that. He, he probably has prepared me for what I'm currently doing more than anything. Cause I have the construction background. but at that time, I'm out in sun all day long in the summertime. And so while the girls were out at the beach, I was in air conditioning and then thinking through, and same thing for, for you young guys, when that time comes, don't give up that time with your family. And I said, I'm sitting there watching the girls play. I'm thinking, God, why didn't we, my father's day present from Chris, Emily, Trey. Katie and Lynn was a Shami. I say it right? I think so. So anyway, so that was pretty cool. We, we got to play with that today for the first time, and that was interesting, but it's just fun to have the shade and just be out there at the ocean. So younger self, go ahead, spend a little bit of money and get you some shade and go out there with them. Yeah. Spend that time with them. Yeah. That's neat. Which is kind of cool. There's so many different like shade options out there. Like, so is that Shabo thing? Is that the one that's like a, for lack of better term, much a really big flag. Yeah. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. That makes that's what I say. There's different options. So you gotta know what, what you're going for as a, if you're going to the beach by yourself with multiple kids. I personally think the Shami is probably a really great idea. So you can get a little bit of. you can still see the kids because it doesn't block off a lot of your peripherals mm-hmm and you can put it up like pretty easily as a single person. But if you need something that's stable, cuz you got a baby or something like that and you don't wanna move it. Then we saw this little canopy cabana. Yeah. That's like a cool cabana. That's what it's called. Oh, okay. So like it has, it is its pretty much like an umbrella. That went out and then the arms went down mm-hmm and they just put sand in them. So it doesn't flop away. And I'm like, that's a good idea. If you have a kid mm-hmm Cause I see these people with these umbrella looking things. Yeah. And I'm like, you have no air in that you were probably sweating so bad and that kid is dehydrated. But I feel like the companion thing would also be kind of easy to do. Yeah. Cause umbrellas are the worst. Yeah. We had a 12 by 12. Tent at weigh 50 pounds. yes. And it was like, it was like, wow, it's hard to get to the beach. And back. I remember when I was little, we would go to the beach once a year with like a bunch of families. And it was all of those kind of tent things that you have to, like, mm-hmm, have four people, like put it and everything, and there would be like three or four families out there. So we would have like a tent city over there just lined. And kind of to your point too, that like, if the wind wasn't blowing in your direction, it was just a humid mess. Hot Yes. But yeah, because we're trying something new with our fireside chats we're bringing this one to an end, but I would love to think. My father-in-law Jeff Church. Yeah. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you for the invite. It's traveled all this way. Came all the way down just for the podcast. I figured it had nothing to do with your daughter at all. It had nothing to do with, with the lyric, Chris. Is there anything that you would like to shout out, like for people to follow? Like, do you wanna follow your church? You wanna follow your social media? I don't really think he's on social that much. I'm not much on social. No. Good for you. That's one thing I wish I could get away from, but unfortunately with what Chris and I are doing, it is a yeah. Necessity. That's right. It's all good. Which means you guys should definitely follow us on our social medias on the segue. Yeah. Cuz we're all, we're always in the show notes or being tagged somewhere mm-hmm for whiskey and wisdom. But check and let us know how you like the shorter version of our podcast too. I've been wondering if we shouldn't cut it down or keep. Super long what we've been doing. Yeah. So please leave a comment. When you listen to this and drop a comment on, I don't know if you can comment on Spotify. I don't think so yet. 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